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George W Bush
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: Evil is needed! |
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Thought deeply about this, and cant believe what I feel:
Without evil, what reverence would one have for GOD?
You would need a perspective of evil to understand the value of your allegiance, right?
If the premise for worship is based on sustaining the good, then there is a realization of EVIL. You know what evil is, it is the fodder for your allegiance.
That being said, God has a stake in the duality: evil and good. To say that God does not promote nor inspire evil, there is the accomplice factor with Satan.
God and Satan are accomplices in sustaining enough emotion (good, evil) for the benefit of their church (dogma, faith, etc).
I believe it was the jews who said God is both good and evil. I can respect that more than the christian idea that god is just good.
What is wrong about this? |
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Snarf
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| A God who didn't understand evil would be useless. That is what makes the Christian faith so very like pabulum for simple minds, all forgiveness and rewards in the afterlife for living through Hell on Earth. That is the faith of slaves, servants, and children, not of men created in His image... |
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Silkheat
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Snarf wrote: A God who didn't understand evil would be useless. That is what makes the Christian faith so very like pabulum for simple minds, all forgiveness and rewards in the afterlife for living through Hell on Earth. That is the faith of slaves, servants, and children, not of men created in His image...
Good post. DO as we say and after you die you will live richer than any king, if you don't listen to us eternal torture awaits you.
It truely is to simple. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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no, you don't. only a simple minded fool views the world in 'good' and 'evil'. in reality, there is no such thing as evil. only a subjetive opinion on what you might call evil or good; and even then, this is a continous interval. not a question of 'either or'.
you don't need pain to understand pleasure. are you, for example, able to feel the difference between having an orgasm and not having an orgasm? :) |
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JLChrista
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the title of this thread but from an entirely different path. My thoughts have always been in reference to bodies of water. Without tides, ebbs and flows, the water becomes stagnant, unhealthy. With this concept in mind, we have to have good and bad, evil and saintly, hot and cold, and so on. For every saint there needs to be a balancing whether it is numberous "bad" people or one truly evil person. I agree with REG that good and evil are too simplistic; it implies an on/off switch when in fact it is more like a volume control with a very wide range from "truly evil" to "saintly perfect."
I have seen truly evil, however, and unlike GeorgeW.Bush's implication; it has never encouraged me to grasp for god or religion. Perhaps only the weak of spirit need that resolve. |
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Richard Owl Mirror
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Evil is needed! |
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George W Bush wrote: Thought deeply about this, and cant believe what I feel:
Without evil, what reverence would one have for GOD?
You would need a perspective of evil to understand the value of your allegiance, right?
If the premise for worship is based on sustaining the good, then there is a realization of EVIL. You know what evil is, it is the fodder for your allegiance.
That being said, God has a stake in the duality: evil and good. To say that God does not promote nor inspire evil, there is the accomplice factor with Satan.
God and Satan are accomplices in sustaining enough emotion (good, evil) for the benefit of their church (dogma, faith, etc).
I believe it was the jews who said God is both good and evil.
I can respect that more than the christian idea that god is just good.
What is wrong about this?
Evil, Sin, and Iniquity @ http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper148.html
"Do not make the mistake of confusing evil with the evil one, more correctly the iniquitous one.
He whom you call the evil one is the son of self-love, the high administrator who knowingly went into deliberate rebellion against the rule of my Father and his loyal Sons.
Evil is the unconscious or unintended transgression of the divine law, the Father's will.
Evil is likewise the measure of the imperfectness of obedience to the Father's will.
"Sin is the conscious, knowing, and deliberate transgression of the divine law, the Father's will.
Sin is the measure of unwillingness to be divinely led and spiritually directed.
"Iniquity is the willful, determined, and persistent transgression of the divine law, the Father's will.
Iniquity is the measure of the continued rejection of the Father's loving plan of personality survival and the Sons' merciful ministry of salvation. |
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