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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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straw man wrote: Why? Because I know my claim is false, but I don't know how it could possibly be refuted.
Why is it wrong? Because the majority say so? Pfft. Believe whatever you want.
straw man wrote: It is equally incorrect to say a car is not a vehicle as to say a fetus is not a human life.
car = fetus?
straw man wrote: But when I try to claim how a fetus IS a life, I keep running into these roadblocks of people claiming the dictionary doesn't count and it's all just subjective etc. etc. etc.
Indeed it is.
straw man wrote: so the reason I want my claim refuted here is so that I know how it can be done, so I can use that method to show how a fetus is indeed a human life, because my methods clearly weren't working. Care to help me out and show me how such a claim can be invalidated?
I say again, it does not need to be. Believe what you want about your car. It is yours, and so are your beliefs. |
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straw man
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't even have to be this example. Just shoot down any of the following arguments:
a kangaroo is not an "animal".
a hamburger is not "food".
a stapler is not an "office supply"
sadness is not an "emotion"
an adolescent boy is not a "human being"
a senior citizen is not a "human being"
a juggling clown is not "alive"
the Earth is not a "planet"
etc. etc. etc. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote:
car = fetus?
That's not what I said. I said that saying a car is not a vehicle is the same exact kind of mistake as saying that a fetus is not a human life. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Actually if you say there's no right or wrong on this then nevermind because you probably can't help me. Sorry to bother you.
Can anyone else refute any of my claims? |
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sparsely
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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oh oh !
how does that song go!? :D
Ohh yeah!
Well, they say it better than i do:
http://students.oc.edu/jared.beverly/song_iusedtodriveachevrolet.txt |
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name
Joined: 23 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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quote: "I said that saying a car is not a vehicle is the same exact kind of mistake as saying that a fetus is not a human life."
A car is a vehicle. An assemblage of all the car parts required to make a car thrown together but not nearly finished is not a vehicle, because the pile of parts cannot do anything that a vehicle can. It's just a pile of parts. It is not worth a price, like a completed car. Are you going to force a person to pay $40,000 for an unfinished assemblage of car parts so that its rights aren't infringed upon? *Analogy alert!!!*
I'm sort of getting into this. |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Bottom line is all analogies to abortion are false. Unless youre dealing with someone ending the life of another individual then it can not ppossibly relate to abortion. A seed is not a human embryo, neither is cancer or anything else. |
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name
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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"Bottom line is all analogies to abortion are false. Unless youre dealing with someone ending the life of another individual then it can not ppossibly relate to abortion. A seed is not a human embryo, neither is cancer or anything else."
That's the point of an analogy. An analogy relates a concept to a simpler one in order to make it easier to understand and offer a fresh perspective. No one said a car was a human embryo. |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: That's the point of an analogy. An analogy relates a concept to a simpler one in order to make it easier to understand and offer a fresh perspective. No one said a car was a human embryo. All these analogies in my opinion distract from the fact that were talking about the end of an individuals life. I believe it dumbs down a very important debate about what a human life is. |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Cool, then I can get rid of the car then...
:lol: |
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WsTxRedRaider06
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Ive been needing to exchange my truck for something newer. Is this ok since im not destroying my truck, only trading it in? :)
A car IS a vehicle, you just use 2 different words to describe what is actually the same thing. A car is a certain kind of vehicle, as is a truck, a van, an suv, etc....They are all vehicles, just in different forms. Cars and trucks and SUVs all have different features and unique characteristics, they are different sizes, different shapes and differnt colors, yet they are all vehicles. "Car" is simply the label you put on it, due to its individual characteristics and unique shapes and sizes. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| basicallty this is the threasd that people can prove how incredibly dumb they are. |
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name
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Quote: basicallty this is the threasd that people can prove how incredibly dumb they are.
You mean by playing word games with concepts to which they don't apply?
It's not as simple as saying that an embryo is a human. It is not a human BEING; it does not think. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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name wrote: Quote: basicallty this is the threasd that people can prove how incredibly dumb they are.
You mean by playing word games with concepts to which they don't apply?
It's not as simple as saying that an embryo is a human. It is not a human BEING; it does not think.
So then the official definition for a human being is something that thinks?
Aren't you just playing word games by saying it's "not a human BEING"? Does that even actually prove anything? Isn't it the same thing no matter what you call it? |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: It is not a human BEING; it does not think
humanity is not determined by thought. a cow thinks aout grass does that make it human? |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Plodder wrote: Quote: It is not a human BEING; it does not think
humanity is not determined by thought. a cow thinks aout grass does that make it human? What hes doing is creating a speration between the terms human and human being. Were not allowed to use them interchangeably apparently. Human being is being transformed to mean human who thinks. |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I just killed my car because I chose to :lol: |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: What hes doing is creating a speration between the terms human and human being. Were not allowed to use them interchangeably apparently. Human being is being transformed to mean human who thinks. thats sarcasm i detect? |
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toddytodd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Re: A Car |
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straw man wrote: I just wanted to make sure you were all aware of the fact that a car is not a vehicle.
Technically, a car is a vehicle.
Vehicle: a means of carrying or transporting something
Motorized Vehicle: an automotive vehicle not operated on rails; especially one with rubber tires for use on highways
Car: a vehicle moving on wheels
Said properly, a car is a vehicle, but a vehicle isn't always a car. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| why does it matter? |
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