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NobleOne
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Green wrote: Government under the Declaration of Independence says that government must protect life, liberty and property.
Hate to break it to you, but the Supreme Court has held that the government has no duty to protect. (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,109 S.Ct. 998 (1989).)
Although police generally have no constitutional duty to protect private persons from third parties, there may be such a duty if a special relationship exists or if the state increased or created the danger to the harmed person. |
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Ausonius
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The Ferryman
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| Man needs regulation. Out of regulation comes 'some sort' of order. It's this innate need for order, stemming from reflective thought and having an opposable thumb, that ultimately is the curse of all human societies. |
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ToonArmyIsComing
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The Ferryman wrote: Man needs regulation. Out of regulation comes 'some sort' of order. It's this innate need for order, stemming from reflective thought and having an opposable thumb, that ultimately is the curse of all human societies.
That is a testament of the miserable and contradictory human existence: for some kind of freedom to exist, oppression is needed! |
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Fido
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ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Ferryman wrote: Man needs regulation. Out of regulation comes 'some sort' of order. It's this innate need for order, stemming from reflective thought and having an opposable thumb, that ultimately is the curse of all human societies.
That is a testament of the miserable and contradictory human existence: for some kind of freedom to exist, oppression is needed!
I would be willing to bet that the greatest philosophers of the major western faiths have agreed at some point or another that the intelligent have to govern the less intelligent or be ruled by them. Freedom was not such an issue as it is today, but one must wonder. Either one presumed a freedom of will apart from ones bondage, or believed it did not matter if one were compelled to believe, or not. It could be that as a slave one honorably gave his labor, and that the freedom of religion was thought natural. One can hardly be called free who cannot even own his own thoughts. No one can be free whose thoughts do not matter. |
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EugenicHegemony
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Fido wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Ferryman wrote: Man needs regulation. Out of regulation comes 'some sort' of order. It's this innate need for order, stemming from reflective thought and having an opposable thumb, that ultimately is the curse of all human societies.
That is a testament of the miserable and contradictory human existence: for some kind of freedom to exist, oppression is needed!
I would be willing to bet that the greatest philosophers of the major western faiths have agreed at some point or another that the intelligent have to govern the less intelligent or be ruled by them. Freedom was not such an issue as it is today, but one must wonder. Either one presumed a freedom of will apart from ones bondage, or believed it did not matter if one were compelled to believe, or not. It could be that as a slave one honorably gave his labor, and that the freedom of religion was thought natural. One can hardly be called free who cannot even own his own thoughts. No one can be free whose thoughts do not matter. Why should one intelligent person have to obey a mob of idiots just because they're more of them? |
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Fido
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EugenicHegemony wrote: Fido wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Ferryman wrote: Man needs regulation. Out of regulation comes 'some sort' of order. It's this innate need for order, stemming from reflective thought and having an opposable thumb, that ultimately is the curse of all human societies.
That is a testament of the miserable and contradictory human existence: for some kind of freedom to exist, oppression is needed!
I would be willing to bet that the greatest philosophers of the major western faiths have agreed at some point or another that the intelligent have to govern the less intelligent or be ruled by them. Freedom was not such an issue as it is today, but one must wonder. Either one presumed a freedom of will apart from ones bondage, or believed it did not matter if one were compelled to believe, or not. It could be that as a slave one honorably gave his labor, and that the freedom of religion was thought natural. One can hardly be called free who cannot even own his own thoughts. No one can be free whose thoughts do not matter. Why should one intelligent person have to obey a mob of idiots just because they're more of them?
Many fish die, but the school lives. |
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