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[eynon]

ManAlive wrote: Best: LBJ, FDR and Wilson

Worst: Nixon

why was Nixon the worst? watergate aside his policies were mostly sound, sometime brilliant :-|

[goblue]

ManAlive wrote: Best: LBJ, FDR and Wilson

Worst: Nixon How on earth do you have Lyndon Baines Johnson as best?

[melchizedek22]

Bobicito wrote: Leave Bush out of this. This topic was not made so people could pick on our president. Besides those things you said weren't even close to the truth. They were just things you hope were the facts but you just find ways to pick on the president because its easy and you have nothing better to do.

Are you Forum moderator? **Edited by TGND - Read the rules of this forum.**

Bush is a simpleminded trigger happy jerkoff,with a Messiah complex
who has the whole world hating our guts! I'd say he was the Antichrist,but that would be an insult to to the real Antichrist!

[Jehan]

melchizedek22 wrote: Bobicito wrote: Leave Bush out of this. This topic was not made so people could pick on our president. Besides those things you said weren't even close to the truth. They were just things you hope were the facts but you just find ways to pick on the president because its easy and you have nothing better to do.

Are you Forum moderator?**Mod edit**

Bush is a simpleminded trigger happy jerkoff,with a Messiah complex
who has the whole world hating our guts! I'd say he was the Antichrist,but that would be an insult to to the real Antichrist!

You don't tell another member to shut the F--- up. If you must resort to such immature tactics, it shows how poor a debator you are. I have reported this post. Do not flame other members in such an inflammatory manner.

[Khas]

Best: Washington, Lincoln, both Roosevelts.

Worst: Harding, Nixon, Hoover

Overrated: JFK, Reagan.

[cup2006Sens]

goblue wrote: Silifi wrote: goblue wrote: Best: George W Bush (Strong economy, got rid of Hussein regardless of how Iraq turns out, the future father of how to fight terrorism for the next fifty years.)


Strong economy? If you measure solely based on what the top income earners are doing, maybe. The middle class is continually disappearing. I don't consider that to be a strong economy.

And even if you just counted GDP, it's nothing better than average.

Even if you don't think he's the worst, to call Bush the best president is just foolish. There were so many people that were better than him and did so much more to help the country than he has. Unemployment rate is 4.7%. That's better than even Clinton. There's more home owners than ever. Other than gas most things are cheap. Just go into Walmart or Target and see how you can get half way decent things at a cheap price. People are spending. Why? Because they now feel safe at home thanks to George W. Bush. People are finally adjusting to this global economy which is why things are so cheap. I use to think Reagan was the best president. He probably was the most popular. Clinton was popular too. Why? Because they were both excellent speech givers and knew how to win people over. But I sat and thought. If I take the media out of the equation and look at each president at what they did rather than what they say, I'd have to put W. Bush at number one. Even Reagan never went after the terrorists like Bush did. Reagan was a one strike type of guy. Grenada, Libya. And that's after we pulled out of Beirut in 1986 after our marines got killed. Bush is taking far too much heat and not enough credit. So that's how I came to my conclusion. I took the media out and looked at the facts. Most of the country is working and there are many job openings in most of the country. The cost of living is lower unless you live in California. Tax cuts are always on the agenda. Our troops want to fight cause they know we must to survive. That's due to Bush's leadership. I think it's appropriate that we lose 1000 troops a year in Iraq in today's times. But look at how many Muslims are getting killed. Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists realize that if they attack us it will be the Muslims who suffer the most. Again, I take the media out of the equation. Then I ask myself if I could have any president I want who would it be? I would take Bush with Truman a close second. :-|

So Bush is great becuse alot of Muslims are getting killed?!?

Great thinking.

[theykilledkenny83]

cup2006Sens wrote: goblue wrote: Silifi wrote: goblue wrote: Best: George W Bush (Strong economy, got rid of Hussein regardless of how Iraq turns out, the future father of how to fight terrorism for the next fifty years.)


Strong economy? If you measure solely based on what the top income earners are doing, maybe. The middle class is continually disappearing. I don't consider that to be a strong economy.

And even if you just counted GDP, it's nothing better than average.

Even if you don't think he's the worst, to call Bush the best president is just foolish. There were so many people that were better than him and did so much more to help the country than he has. Unemployment rate is 4.7%. That's better than even Clinton. There's more home owners than ever. Other than gas most things are cheap. Just go into Walmart or Target and see how you can get half way decent things at a cheap price. People are spending. Why? Because they now feel safe at home thanks to George W. Bush. People are finally adjusting to this global economy which is why things are so cheap. I use to think Reagan was the best president. He probably was the most popular. Clinton was popular too. Why? Because they were both excellent speech givers and knew how to win people over. But I sat and thought. If I take the media out of the equation and look at each president at what they did rather than what they say, I'd have to put W. Bush at number one. Even Reagan never went after the terrorists like Bush did. Reagan was a one strike type of guy. Grenada, Libya. And that's after we pulled out of Beirut in 1986 after our marines got killed. Bush is taking far too much heat and not enough credit. So that's how I came to my conclusion. I took the media out and looked at the facts. Most of the country is working and there are many job openings in most of the country. The cost of living is lower unless you live in California. Tax cuts are always on the agenda. Our troops want to fight cause they know we must to survive. That's due to Bush's leadership. I think it's appropriate that we lose 1000 troops a year in Iraq in today's times. But look at how many Muslims are getting killed. Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists realize that if they attack us it will be the Muslims who suffer the most. Again, I take the media out of the equation. Then I ask myself if I could have any president I want who would it be? I would take Bush with Truman a close second. :-|

So Bush is great becuse alot of Muslims are getting killed?!?

Great thinking.

He meant Islamic terrorists. Civilians getting killed is never a good thing obviously, but it is a brutal and harsh truth that we all must deal with.

[satirecafe]

Best: Abraham Lincoln
Worst: Andrew Jackson
Most Overrated: As much as I love him, JFK. he made plenty of mistakes. hesitating on civil rights, bay of pigs, spying on MLK and his colleagues for untrue and unjustified communist allegations...

What does everyone have against President Carter? I think he was fabulous.

[Quicksurf]

satirecafe wrote: Best: Abraham Lincoln
Worst: Andrew Jackson
Most Overrated: As much as I love him, JFK. he made plenty of mistakes. hesitating on civil rights, bay of pigs, spying on MLK and his colleagues for untrue and unjustified communist allegations...

What does everyone have against President Carter? I think he was fabulous.

Umm... he did nothing about the situation in Iran, and probably was the most worthless sack of crap to be in the oval office.

[satirecafe]

Quicksurf wrote: satirecafe wrote: Best: Abraham Lincoln
Worst: Andrew Jackson
Most Overrated: As much as I love him, JFK. he made plenty of mistakes. hesitating on civil rights, bay of pigs, spying on MLK and his colleagues for untrue and unjustified communist allegations...

What does everyone have against President Carter? I think he was fabulous.

Umm... he did nothing about the situation in Iran, and probably was the most worthless sack of crap to be in the oval office.

Besides his failed attempt to save the hostages, he was a great president. he championed human rights and might have actually gotten America to care about energy conservation if that idiot hadn't been elected to what should have been carter's 2nd term.

[Jehan]

Quicksurf wrote: satirecafe wrote: Best: Abraham Lincoln
Worst: Andrew Jackson
Most Overrated: As much as I love him, JFK. he made plenty of mistakes. hesitating on civil rights, bay of pigs, spying on MLK and his colleagues for untrue and unjustified communist allegations...

What does everyone have against President Carter? I think he was fabulous.

Umm... he did nothing about the situation in Iran, and probably was the most worthless sack of crap to be in the oval office.

Camp David Accords. To date, it is the only peace treaty in the Middle East that has not been abandoned.

Also, the idea that he did nothing about the situation in Iran is a blatent lie. He worked day and night to get the hostages back home. Because they were not able to get home until Reagan's inauguration ceremony, the credit for their release has been bestowed upon Reagan, which is unfair considering the work Carter did.

[satirecafe]

Jehan wrote: Quicksurf wrote: satirecafe wrote: Best: Abraham Lincoln
Worst: Andrew Jackson
Most Overrated: As much as I love him, JFK. he made plenty of mistakes. hesitating on civil rights, bay of pigs, spying on MLK and his colleagues for untrue and unjustified communist allegations...

What does everyone have against President Carter? I think he was fabulous.

Umm... he did nothing about the situation in Iran, and probably was the most worthless sack of crap to be in the oval office.

Camp David Accords. To date, it is the only peace treaty in the Middle East that has not been abandoned.

Also, the idea that he did nothing about the situation in Iran is a blatent lie. He worked day and night to get the hostages back home. Because they were not able to get home until Reagan's inauguration ceremony, the credit for their release has been bestowed upon Reagan, which is unfair considering the work Carter did.

In actuality, Carter did all of the work to free the hostages, it is just that the terrorists only released them very, very shortly after his term ended, so that they would be able to say that they didn't go free during his presidency. It is simply an act of cruelty that ignorant people have interpreted to mean that Pres. Reagan freed the hostages.

[goblue]

cup2006Sens wrote: goblue wrote: Silifi wrote: goblue wrote: Best: George W Bush (Strong economy, got rid of Hussein regardless of how Iraq turns out, the future father of how to fight terrorism for the next fifty years.)


Strong economy? If you measure solely based on what the top income earners are doing, maybe. The middle class is continually disappearing. I don't consider that to be a strong economy.

And even if you just counted GDP, it's nothing better than average.

Even if you don't think he's the worst, to call Bush the best president is just foolish. There were so many people that were better than him and did so much more to help the country than he has. Unemployment rate is 4.7%. That's better than even Clinton. There's more home owners than ever. Other than gas most things are cheap. Just go into Walmart or Target and see how you can get half way decent things at a cheap price. People are spending. Why? Because they now feel safe at home thanks to George W. Bush. People are finally adjusting to this global economy which is why things are so cheap. I use to think Reagan was the best president. He probably was the most popular. Clinton was popular too. Why? Because they were both excellent speech givers and knew how to win people over. But I sat and thought. If I take the media out of the equation and look at each president at what they did rather than what they say, I'd have to put W. Bush at number one. Even Reagan never went after the terrorists like Bush did. Reagan was a one strike type of guy. Grenada, Libya. And that's after we pulled out of Beirut in 1986 after our marines got killed. Bush is taking far too much heat and not enough credit. So that's how I came to my conclusion. I took the media out and looked at the facts. Most of the country is working and there are many job openings in most of the country. The cost of living is lower unless you live in California. Tax cuts are always on the agenda. Our troops want to fight cause they know we must to survive. That's due to Bush's leadership. I think it's appropriate that we lose 1000 troops a year in Iraq in today's times. But look at how many Muslims are getting killed. Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists realize that if they attack us it will be the Muslims who suffer the most. Again, I take the media out of the equation. Then I ask myself if I could have any president I want who would it be? I would take Bush with Truman a close second. :-|

So Bush is great becuse alot of Muslims are getting killed?!?

Great thinking. Yes. It's the only antidote to defeat radical Islam. 1. We fight them over there. 2. We kill radical extremists. 3. In the process most of the people who die will be Muslim extremists who kill other innocent Muslims. Perfect equation and our only hope. Even Reagan couldn't figure this out, which makes Bush a genius. Again, we are not killing most of the innocent Muslims. Radical Islam is. Think of it as having hundreds of beehives in your yard. The rules of the game would be you can't kill off all the beehives cause that would be unconstitutional. Lets say most of the beehives were peaceful, but a whole bunch were aggressive towards humans and wanted to kill the family in the house so the bees would rule the whole property. Lets say you couldn't tell which bees were trying to kill you cause they all looked the same. Lets say you're only allowed to kill the killer bees and would be penalized if you take out the whole hive if there's some innocent bees in the hive. Lets say you stay in your house and leave them alone only to have a whole bunch of killer bees get into your house to sting you. The only hope would be to send several humans out there who are armed to kill only the killer bees and not the other bees. So a whole bunch of humans go into the yard to fight the killer bees. In the process some humans would die. A whole bunch of killer bees would die. Most of the deaths would be the innocent bees. The killer bees would be in a constant rage. But they wouldn't always be able to get at the humans. So they go back into the hive and continuously kill innocent bees. Meanwhile the family is living peacefully in their home. The killer bees are too distracted to attack inside the home. The killer bees are too consumed with: 1. Killing the humans who are in the yard. 2. Killing thousands of innocent bees cause they're so angry at the humans and can't kill the humans so they kill innocent bees. This would be catastrophic for the bee race. Since many killer bees are born from innocent bees, many killer bees would not be born. In the mean time the family would be living peacefully in their home. Say this bee war goes on for fifty years. Now what would happen to the family in the home if these large group of humans decided to pull out of the yard? It's real similiar to fighting Islam. Final conclusive antidote to fight radical Islam: 1. Go over there to fight radicals. 2. Radicals get pissed off so they kill innocent Muslims. 3. Many radicals will no longer be born cause most radicals are born from innocents.

[waldorf]

Best:
George Washington (the man not the myth)

Worst:
Three-way tie between Grant, Harding, and Hoover.

Most Overrated:
John F. Kennedy

Regards,

Chris