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cansouth · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1

http://www.geocities.com/aqdnegi/alqaidadoesnotexist.html

Quote: Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sunday that he does not believe there is a terrorist group called al Qaeda

Syrian president Bashar al-Assad

The Bitland Prince · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 11

Saudi key figures also stated (just after 9/11) that, should that al-Qaeda exist, they don't believe bin Laden might be its head.

Questions around REAL nature of this organization are left open, expecially when one can notice that Saddam Hussein refused any linkage to al-Qaeda and Iraqi guerriglia threathened Zawahiri to leave Iraq or be killed...

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

cansouth wrote: http://www.geocities.com/aqdnegi/alqaidadoesnotexist.html

Quote: Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sunday that he does not believe there is a terrorist group called al Qaeda

Syrian president Bashar al-Assad

I don't know whether AQ is real or not, but I do know there's a large amount of controversy over whether OBL ever even "confessed" to 9/11:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
http://www.mbpolitics.com/obl/

The Bitland Prince · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 11

Most of all, this al-Qaeda is really handy and it's always where one might need it...

Its members are different kinds of people, ranging from those who hate music and TVs to others who like strip-tease clubs before going into actions.

They have just one thing in common: they've been friends of Uncle Sam in not-so-far past...

I'm not flaming, just noticing... :?

Truth_is_Right · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 89

How can we ever know? We just read the news and soak up the information they provide us. If they dont tell us how can we know..

Zoe · Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 1099 Location: Las Vegas, NV

Truth_is_Right wrote: How can we ever know? We just read the news and soak up the information they provide us. If they dont tell us how can we know..

That's what they are counting on.

The Bitland Prince · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 11

I agree. Should we wait until someone comes up and say "I'm al-Qaida... hello everyone!" we have great chances not to know anything at all.

I think we should start to "connect the dots". Expecially because media are being controlled by the same lobbyist who could have interests in what's going on...

JoesphSoap · Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Europe

Well we can never be certain that Al'Qaida really exists but then there is an awful lot of other stuff we can never really be certain about either. The most rational and logical way to approach this is to take the number of different reports of Al'Qaida around the world, the fact that there are bombs going off and planes that have been crashed into buildings and the fact that almost every government and news orgainistaion in the world talk about Al'qaida as being a real organisation, the probability is that it does exist.

Of course the existence of terrorist groups is often very convenient for governments because they can use them as a sort of bogeyman, especially the US governments down the years. The fact that they are very often convenient to governments doesn't mean that they are the creation of governments, that would require an extraordinary amount of deception which would probably cost more than any possible benefit.

The Bitland Prince · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 11

That's mostly right. However, IMHO, there are a number of hints or signals that would suggest that we consider the real nature of such al-Qaida with caution.

I usually start to cast doubts about things like that when a real bad-bad-bad guy is appointed as usual evil figure: that's a 007 movie sort of things.

For example, neither bin Laden himself nor 9/11 suicide attackers looked very devote muslims, according to reports. It sounds to me like that old fascist motto "Don't consider what I do, consider what I said...". Since I use to consider what one does, I cast many doubts over many figures involved.

Another example could be attacks against Iraqi population and/or Iraqi citizens like policemen. Which Iraqi group could have any interests in attacking and killing Iraqi people? And if they're not Iraqi, which muslim group could have any interest in attacking and killing Iraqi people and then call for muslim brotherhood or a muslim rise against West?

Maybe that's weird, maybe not. However, it is surely weird that local Iraqi guerrilla group threathened to kill al-Zawahiri if he won't leave Iraq soon...

kingcourage · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:59 am Post subject:

AQ disappeared , for the USA army use some nuclear weapon (I can't spell it , if you remembered they had created a biggest bomb for the enemy under the ground and in the cave )

uhhhh?the TV told you it is just the biggest non-nuclear bomb? yes, they do.and I know. the trick is just collapse of cave.......nobody could dig something out...

why not Soviet union created a biggggger bomb in the Afghanistan war of 1980s ?they can't make a big bomb?

so al-Qaeda disappeared ,history just work as it's way.....in some secret files , maybe .

I know you don't believe it .....so I can tell you truth.....ironic? oh yeah

:hy: only one county, neighbour to Afghanistan east, have the technique to detect the waves .....and the country is famous for his silence ,and maybe you guys know why USA said this country had cooperate USA in the war and thank for their help.

what cooperation between them? is it just keep silence? It is a most possible cooperation between them....others military cooperation are impossible. you know it.

jade7 · Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 7

[quote="cansouth"]http://www.geocities.com/aqdnegi/alqaidadoesnotexist.html

Quote: Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sunday that he does not believe there is a terrorist group called al Qaeda

al Qaeda exists alrigh. Here is all about Bin laden

gandalfxviv · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 11

61 al Qaeda members captured. I don't see why Reuters would publish stuff like this if al Qaeda didn't really exist. I doubt they're that hard-pressed for news. :roll:

nrhy · Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 697 Location: Spain

well maybe they were terrorists, but not al-aqaeda members, what people are trying to say is that, Al-qaeda is a made up organization so that politicians can gain their needs with such excuses, for example: Bush.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

gandalfxviv wrote: 61 al Qaeda members captured. I don't see why Reuters would publish stuff like this if al Qaeda didn't really exist. I doubt they're that hard-pressed for news. :roll:

Here us why people are doubting, from your link:

Quote: ......Major General Rick Lynch, a U.S. military spokesman, said on Thursday............Lynch said....... he said.

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gandalfxviv · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 11

Lucky Luke wrote: gandalfxviv wrote: 61 al Qaeda members captured. I don't see why Reuters would publish stuff like this if al Qaeda didn't really exist. I doubt they're that hard-pressed for news. :roll:

Here us why people are doubting, from your link:

Quote: ......Major General Rick Lynch, a U.S. military spokesman, said on Thursday............Lynch said....... he said.

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So, what you're saying is that things would be more believable if NOBODY said them? :shock:

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

gandalfxviv wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: gandalfxviv wrote: 61 al Qaeda members captured. I don't see why Reuters would publish stuff like this if al Qaeda didn't really exist. I doubt they're that hard-pressed for news. :roll:

Here us why people are doubting, from your link:

Quote: ......Major General Rick Lynch, a U.S. military spokesman, said on Thursday............Lynch said....... he said.

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So, what you're saying is that things would be more believable if NOBODY said them? :shock:

No, I am saying that a lot of Al Qaeda reports are coming from this US administration or worst from Musharraf's Pakistan and we know of how much misinformation is about.

The media never gets first hand information it seems on this war on terror.

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gandalfxviv · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 11

Lucky Luke wrote: The media never gets first hand information it seems on this war on terror.

That explains why so many journalists have died in Iraq. Let me guess--they were killed by the coalition soldiers who gave them their information and that none of them ever came close to any terrorists.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

gandalfxviv wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The media never gets first hand information it seems on this war on terror.

That explains why so many journalists have died in Iraq. Let me guess--they were killed by the coalition soldiers who gave them their information and that none of them ever came close to any terrorists.

I don't recall any reports on Al Qaeda killing journalists in Iraq, do you?

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gandalfxviv · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 11

Lucky Luke wrote: gandalfxviv wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The media never gets first hand information it seems on this war on terror.

That explains why so many journalists have died in Iraq. Let me guess--they were killed by the coalition soldiers who gave them their information and that none of them ever came close to any terrorists.

I don't recall any reports on Al Qaeda killing journalists in Iraq, do you?

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No, as a matter of fact I don't recall that at all. It appears, however, that you missed my point that since there are media persons in Iraq, it is obvious that they do not get all of their information second-hand, as you claimed.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

gandalfxviv wrote:

No, as a matter of fact I don't recall that at all. It appears, however, that you missed my point that since there are media persons in Iraq, it is obvious that they do not get all of their information second-hand, as you claimed.

Regarding Zarqawi they are in Iraq getting their information second-hand straight from the US coalition forces, same in Afghanistan and in Pakistan the ISI and its master the dictator Musharraf are telling us all about Al Qaeda there, everything they want to tell us which is usually exactly what we want to hear. Journalists are either controlled and inbedded or kept well away from the truth, the myth must be kept alive.

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