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[Braver]

Lucky Luke wrote: Braver wrote: WorldCitizenMovement wrote: rdnor wrote: Does anyone know how Hitler really rose to power ? Does anyone care as long as he did not have WMD ? Did Killing all those Jews effect you ? If so , how ?

I wont give the whole history, he was fairly and legally appointed chancellor, or head of goverment, on the morning of january 1933, then he just went his own way and redesigned government to his fashions.

He rose to power because he could control the mob. His oratory skills essentially led the Nazi party to prominence from the 1920s until the early 1930s when they became the largest party in government.

Im reading a book called the Nuremburg trials where a psychologist interviewed many of hitlers top administrative officials. I think it was Goering who described Hitler as the type of man who you would walk into his office thinking you were going to convince him from your point of view on a partiular issue and walk back out a minute later convinced otherwise.

Aside from being able to control the mob with his tounge, he realized a few further truths about the mob other than simply screaming at them.

1. The Bigger the lie the more people will believe in it; he realized propaganda was the one principle mechanism (other than his own charisma) to indoctrinate the people with a particular view on reality...which Gobbells, his minister for propaganda and enlightenment so famous for executing.

2. Give the people something to love and something to hate; excessive jingoism and hate for the jews and anything else un-german.

Another significant fact that allowed Hitlers rise to such power was the institutionalization of Germany's military into its economic life. By rebuilding the capacity of the German military machine by leaps and bounds, Hitlers power was essentially solidified.

As a last note, Hitlers rise to power, from the time he was discharged from military sevice in 1919 and began his political ascension until 1933 when he was sworn in as chancellor of Germany, his rise to that state was pretty much fair and democratic (I believe, id have to research that, this is all from memory so correct me if im wrong if there was any anti-semitism used as political tactics during that period between 1919-1933)

I agree with this one. In a time of need, Hitler was the voice of reason to his people, in thier eyes they needed someone like him.

The people did not choose him, when he got appointed Chancellor it was on the back of another election defeat where the Nazi party was in fact losing votes. The people of Germany elected the man who nominated Hitler.

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True, but that's why they supported him even when he was put into power, other than there was nothing they could do about it....

[Ubon94]

Hitler was a discipline man who brought Germany back the economy, jobs, wealth, pride and power. Besides that he killed many Jews and others...but Jews is no the only one who got killed

[Ubon94]

Boneman wrote: rytis wrote: rdnor wrote: Does anyone know how Hitler really rose to power ? Does anyone care as long as he did not have WMD ? Did Killing all those Jews effect you ? If so , how ?
i know why hitler rose to power, i know why media of the winning side who tells so much about what a monster he was never mentions why he rose to power. i care, i try to explain, most people are as ignorant as pigs, do not want to see the truth, many do, but they do not control media. so it seems like only nutjobs believe hitler wasnt a monster hes made to look. hitler did not kill any jews, and his people killed much less then is said on media, in fact no one killed any jews on purpose in germany it is all a lie. a monster needed to be made who posed a threat to ruling class. adolph hitler. a great leader. power of media. greater. ignorance of people: greater, they pay the price for it.

hitler was not a racist, god bless hitler. america is a racist. hitler wanted a world with no classes, it scared the ruling class. im done in this thread. i dont need to argue with the ignorant.

heil hitler.
Why you havn't been banned yet I'll never know. If he didn't kill any jews what happened to the 6 million of them that suddenly dissapeared? And the 5 million other "undesirables"? Oh let me guess, its all a massive zionist conspiracy. Using 9/11 as evidence of this conspiracy is tasteless enough, but using the holocaust is enbelievanly stupid.

He got suspened for having a different point of view?
Why?

[Lucky Luke]

Ubon94 wrote: Hitler was a discipline man who brought Germany back the economy, jobs, wealth, pride and power. Besides that he killed many Jews and others...but Jews is no the only one who got killed

Hitler did not have a lot of discipline and he was not a hands on type of ruler except for military matters when he thought he needed to overrule his generals which was very often. He did it in a chaotic fashion, very often under the influence of drugs.

The image of the Nazi party and of the head of the party was pure propaganda.

He did not give back Germany economy, jobs and wealth but created an arm industry with borrowed money, gave the German people a uniform and a gun for a job and filled the pockets of a few with making others to work for nothing.

The pride a few felt for a few years gave decades and misery and half a century of guilt to a nation not talking about the millions of Germans who died during WW2.
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[Graph]

To demonstrate the power of the Nazi a high school teacher once had his class act as if they were SS soldiers. After only a few days there were more than two hundred students at the school signed up for this group. The students had taken it upon themselves to recruit new members and intimidated others into joining. Their academic scores went up and they all said that they felt as if they were a part of something good.
With Germany in such bad condition after WWI all he had to do was bring out the anger in the German people, make them feel patriotic, and tell them that by joining his people they would make a difference. The people obviously bought it.

[Lucky Luke]

Graph wrote: To demonstrate the power of the Nazi a high school teacher once had his class act as if they were SS soldiers. After only a few days there were more than two hundred students at the school signed up for this group. The students had taken it upon themselves to recruit new members and intimidated others into joining. Their academic scores went up and they all said that they felt as if they were a part of something good.
With Germany in such bad condition after WWI all he had to do was bring out the anger in the German people, make them feel patriotic, and tell them that by joining his people they would make a difference. The people obviously bought it.

They did not, they never voted the guy in power.

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[XiangYu]

Lucky Luke wrote: Ubon94 wrote: Hitler was a discipline man who brought Germany back the economy, jobs, wealth, pride and power. Besides that he killed many Jews and others...but Jews is no the only one who got killed

Hitler did not have a lot of discipline and he was not a hands on type of ruler except for military matters when he thought he needed to overrule his generals which was very often. He did it in a chaotic fashion, very often under the influence of drugs.

The image of the Nazi party and of the head of the party was pure propaganda.

He did not give back Germany economy, jobs and wealth but created an arm industry with borrowed money, gave the German people a uniform and a gun for a job and filled the pockets of a few with making others to work for nothing.

The pride a few felt for a few years gave decades and misery and half a century of guilt to a nation not talking about the millions of Germans who died during WW2.
Ya, what he said...

[melchizedek22]

Plato said when ever a democracy gets into trouble they will turn to the
"strong man",to set them straight,this is what happened in Germany
after the terrible inflation in the 20's ,Hitler stablizing the economy
saved Germany from anarchy,if he had not gone off the deep end with racist ideas,and wanting to take over Europe,he would have gone down in History as a great leader,instead he went down in history as "Hitler"!

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Lucky Luke wrote: Graph wrote: To demonstrate the power of the Nazi a high school teacher once had his class act as if they were SS soldiers. After only a few days there were more than two hundred students at the school signed up for this group. The students had taken it upon themselves to recruit new members and intimidated others into joining. Their academic scores went up and they all said that they felt as if they were a part of something good.
With Germany in such bad condition after WWI all he had to do was bring out the anger in the German people, make them feel patriotic, and tell them that by joining his people they would make a difference. The people obviously bought it.

They did not, they never voted the guy in power.

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The people still supported him.

[Lucky Luke]

melchizedek22 wrote: Plato said when ever a democracy gets into trouble they will turn to the
"strong man",to set them straight,this is what happened in Germany
after the terrible inflation in the 20's ,Hitler stablizing the economy
saved Germany from anarchy,if he had not gone off the deep end with racist ideas,and wanting to take over Europe,he would have gone down in History as a great leader,instead he went down in history as "Hitler"!

The German people did not turn to a strong man, they voted for Hindenburg.

The presidential election held on March 13, 1932 results:
Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent

More than 70% voted against the strong man of yours.

Hitler did not save the economy, this is a myth. Had he lost the war against France and Britain in 1940, Germany would have been bankrupt, again.

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[Lucky Luke]

Graph wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Graph wrote: To demonstrate the power of the Nazi a high school teacher once had his class act as if they were SS soldiers. After only a few days there were more than two hundred students at the school signed up for this group. The students had taken it upon themselves to recruit new members and intimidated others into joining. Their academic scores went up and they all said that they felt as if they were a part of something good.
With Germany in such bad condition after WWI all he had to do was bring out the anger in the German people, make them feel patriotic, and tell them that by joining his people they would make a difference. The people obviously bought it.

They did not, they never voted the guy in power.

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The people still supported him.

30% of the people.

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[lilwolf]

Lost or won that 30% or so was enough to damn near topple all of europe and he was pretty smart and had smart people working for him.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lost or won that 30% or so was enough to damn near topple all of europe and he was pretty smart and had smart people working for him.

Not really the now President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor after trying two previous chancellors who failed to restore order in the streets. The nazis were the ones causing the troubles in the streets just when like Hitler now Chancellor accused communists for the fire in the Reichstag, fire the nazis started of course. When Hindenburg died Hitler took over.
As you can see the 30% supporting Hitler did not put Hitler in charge of Germany, Hindenburg and a lie did more by luck than anything else did it. Hitler's mob in the streets terrorising people were the main reason why Hitler was chosen Chancellor.

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