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[mattwa33193]

psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: The fact is that we know next to nothing about Jesus from just after He was born until He was about 30.
What makes you think we don't know anything about Jesus until he was 30?

Quote: It makes no sense to assume that He lived anything other than a normal life during that time - if He didn't, if anything unusual or spectacular happened in those 30 years, why is there no mention of it in the Bible (or anywhere else)?
I would argue that given how extra-ordinary the last 3 years of his life were, it stands to reason that the first 30 were anything but ordinary either. Perhaps one reason there is no mention of those first 30 years in the Bible is b/c they were lived out more-or-less in secret, for instance with the Essenes or some other such group. If this should be the case, then this too would be a rather "extra"-odinary thing to do w/ the first 30 years of your life, don't you think?

Yes it would, but if He lived in secret the people from His hometown probably wouldn't have recognized Him when they saw Him in the synogogue.
I'm 32, and I haven't changed much since I was 17 and graduated high school. Recently I got on a plane and was sitting right next to an old high school classmate of mine I hadn't seen since graduation. I hadn't changed a bit, and neither had he (in terms of outward appearance).

So He began His secret life in His late teens? Early 20's? What about before that?

[psholtz]

mattwa33193 wrote: psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: The fact is that we know next to nothing about Jesus from just after He was born until He was about 30.
What makes you think we don't know anything about Jesus until he was 30?

Quote: It makes no sense to assume that He lived anything other than a normal life during that time - if He didn't, if anything unusual or spectacular happened in those 30 years, why is there no mention of it in the Bible (or anywhere else)?
I would argue that given how extra-ordinary the last 3 years of his life were, it stands to reason that the first 30 were anything but ordinary either. Perhaps one reason there is no mention of those first 30 years in the Bible is b/c they were lived out more-or-less in secret, for instance with the Essenes or some other such group. If this should be the case, then this too would be a rather "extra"-odinary thing to do w/ the first 30 years of your life, don't you think?

Yes it would, but if He lived in secret the people from His hometown probably wouldn't have recognized Him when they saw Him in the synogogue.
I'm 32, and I haven't changed much since I was 17 and graduated high school. Recently I got on a plane and was sitting right next to an old high school classmate of mine I hadn't seen since graduation. I hadn't changed a bit, and neither had he (in terms of outward appearance).

So He began His secret life in His late teens? Early 20's? What about before that?
Per my understanding, he could have joined up w/ the Essenes as late as the age of 21, and then stayed more or less in seclusion until he began his ministry. Bear in mind that the birthdate traditionally given to Jesus is a bit off, though. Making him die at the age of 33 is nice for Kabbalistic purposes, since 33 is a nice, round Kabbalistic number (the number of "perfection", so to speak). In truth, he was probably born closer to 8 or 9 BC (with the Cruxifiction date of ~33 AD also being probably more or less accurate), soo .. let that affect your calculations as it will.

[mattwa33193]

psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: psholtz wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: The fact is that we know next to nothing about Jesus from just after He was born until He was about 30.
What makes you think we don't know anything about Jesus until he was 30?

Quote: It makes no sense to assume that He lived anything other than a normal life during that time - if He didn't, if anything unusual or spectacular happened in those 30 years, why is there no mention of it in the Bible (or anywhere else)?
I would argue that given how extra-ordinary the last 3 years of his life were, it stands to reason that the first 30 were anything but ordinary either. Perhaps one reason there is no mention of those first 30 years in the Bible is b/c they were lived out more-or-less in secret, for instance with the Essenes or some other such group. If this should be the case, then this too would be a rather "extra"-odinary thing to do w/ the first 30 years of your life, don't you think?

Yes it would, but if He lived in secret the people from His hometown probably wouldn't have recognized Him when they saw Him in the synogogue.
I'm 32, and I haven't changed much since I was 17 and graduated high school. Recently I got on a plane and was sitting right next to an old high school classmate of mine I hadn't seen since graduation. I hadn't changed a bit, and neither had he (in terms of outward appearance).

So He began His secret life in His late teens? Early 20's? What about before that?
Per my understanding, he could have joined up w/ the Essenes as late as the age of 21, and then stayed more or less in seclusion until he began his ministry. Bear in mind that the birthdate traditionally given to Jesus is a bit off, though. Making him die at the age of 33 is nice for Kabbalistic purposes, since 33 is a nice, round Kabbalistic number (the number of "perfection", so to speak). In truth, he was probably born closer to 8 or 9 BC (with the Cruxifiction date of ~33 AD also being probably more or less accurate), soo .. let that affect your calculations as it will.

I've seen estimates from 6-4 BCE to 6-7 CE. The Gospels are inconsistent. So I agree that 0 is either a nice compromise, or the astrology fits, or it's a Kabbalist thing.

But do you have anything that supports His having lived with the Essenes?