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steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

name wrote: "sentiance is not life."

Exactly. Sentience is more than the simple cellular life of a blastocyte. A blastocyte is genetically human and alive, but it is no more a person than a bacterium until it develops brain waves at 2-3 months 6 months, actually.

name · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 144

quote: steen: "6 months, actually."

6 months? That sounds a bit late to me. I know that the common benchmark set by many pro-life sites is 40-42 days, which is far too early (this number comes from a lot of misinterpretation and misinformation.) I read on a scientific website that the brain is functional closer to three months.
Do you have any proof of this 6-month mark?

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

name wrote: quote: steen: "6 months, actually."

6 months? That sounds a bit late to me. I know that the common benchmark set by many pro-life sites is 40-42 days, which is far too early (this number comes from a lot of misinterpretation and misinformation.) I read on a scientific website that the brain is functional closer to three months.
Do you have any proof of this 6-month mark? The connections from the body's sensory nerves to the brain's cortex doesn't meet up until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1097265

name · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 144

[quote="steen'] The connections from the body's sensory nerves to the brain's cortex doesn't meet up until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy. [/quote]

But if the brain's cortex was functioning the fetus would have cognitive capacities regardless of whether the brain is completely connected to the rest of the body. I believe it is sentience that merits the right to liberty and I would not support the abortion of a sentient fetus. I'm not sure about when the brain is really functional... I'll have to do more research on it... but I know that it is at least after the 2nd month.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

name wrote: steen wrote: The connections from the body's sensory nerves to the brain's cortex doesn't meet up until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy. But if the brain's cortex was functioning the fetus would have cognitive capacities regardless of whether the brain is completely connected to the rest of the body. nope. With no input, the brain does no more processing than your comoputer when it is not turned on.

Quote: I believe it is sentience that merits the right to liberty and I would not support the abortion of a sentient fetus. And there is no sentience without awareness. And there is no awareness without the brain receiving stimuli from sensory nerves.

Quote: I'm not sure about when the brain is really functional... I'll have to do more research on it... but I know that it is at least after the 2nd month. The physical connections are not there until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy. The brains then "learning" to interpret these signals takes 1-2 months longer per the estimation of neurologist scientific papers.

AllAmericanMan · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 3606

steen wrote: name wrote: steen wrote: The connections from the body's sensory nerves to the brain's cortex doesn't meet up until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy. But if the brain's cortex was functioning the fetus would have cognitive capacities regardless of whether the brain is completely connected to the rest of the body. nope. With no input, the brain does no more processing than your comoputer when it is not turned on.

Quote: I believe it is sentience that merits the right to liberty and I would not support the abortion of a sentient fetus. And there is no sentience without awareness. And there is no awareness without the brain receiving stimuli from sensory nerves.

Quote: I'm not sure about when the brain is really functional... I'll have to do more research on it... but I know that it is at least after the 2nd month. The physical connections are not there until the end of the 26th week of pregnancy. The brains then "learning" to interpret these signals takes 1-2 months longer per the estimation of neurologist scientific papers. Achieving awareness is a stage of development of a pre existing individual. While the individual is not yet aware of its own existence, it exists never the less, developing toward the basic goal of being born and the beginning of a new stage of development. The development into a self sustaining adult.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

AllAmericanMan wrote: Achieving awareness is a stage of development of a pre existing individual. Ah, another "just because I say so" pro-life postulation.

Quote: While the individual is not yet aware of its own existence, there is no individual until birth, your revisionist linguistic hyperbole none withstanding.

Quote: it exists never the less, So does a tumor.

Quote: developing toward the basic goal of being born and the beginning of a new stage of development. Ah, disneyfication, anthropomorphizing blabber.

Quote: The development into a self sustaining adult. Well, there is individual existence before adulthood. That begins at birth.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

troll again

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: troll again Ah, announcing yourself to the board, I see.

dkong911 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 593 Location: Arizona

Plodder wrote: I will answer thw auestion with another question: What right did the USA have to in vade the axis countries and impose their morality on those Nazis?

A totally irrelevant and false example. I'll answer your question by actually providing some factual evidence that proves the correct answer is the one you are implying is not correct.

The USA had EVERY RIGHT to invade the Axis countries. Consider the following:

1941
December 7th - Japanese declare war on USA.
December 8th - Allies (except Soviets) declare war on Japan.
December 11th - Germany declares war on USA.

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/dates.html

Can you identify the aggressors?

Violating the sovereignty of the United States resulted in the defeat of the aggressors. Sounds like justice was served.

Are you implying the United States did not have any right to defend its sovereignty and actively pursue the aggressors?

Next time, consider one of the following:

1. Provide relevant examples/analogies that actually support the point you are trying to make without providing false or otherwise irrelevant information.

2. Keep your mouth shut if you are not knowledgeable or even vaguely familiar with the topic you are trying to make an analogy/example of.

Let me guess: you will respond to my post by presenting another irrelevant and/or false question.

Unless you're a good boy and take option #2. :wink:

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

you missed the entire point. ill take door #3. regardless of who declared war, I agree 100% that it was the Nazi's and Japs, The war and treatment of the enemey were a large scale imposition of our moral on them. We were according to yall not supposed to impose our morals on other epople.