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[xsuite]

Is suicide a sin?
How about if you were forced to, like Socrates?
Or if you did it to escape torture?
Or Extremely depressed?
Or even self immolating to show your dedication to christ?
How about Suicide at all?

THere are many different contexts that suicide can be utilized, but fear of god often prevents people from saving themselves from extreme pain other things.
Do you think suicide is sinful? Why or why not.

[perdidochas]

xsuite wrote: Is suicide a sin?
How about if you were forced to, like Socrates?
Or if you did it to escape torture?
Or Extremely depressed?
Or even self immolating to show your dedication to christ?
How about Suicide at all?

THere are many different contexts that suicide can be utilized, but fear of god often prevents people from saving themselves from extreme pain other things.
Do you think suicide is sinful? Why or why not.

In general, it's sinful. However, there are circumstances that make it not a sin--mental illness, etc.

[xsuite]

What about if one was being tortured so severely that they drowned themselves in the toilet, rather that be tortured?

[eynon]

xsuite wrote: What about if one was being tortured so severely that they drowned themselves in the toilet, rather that be tortured?

I don't think that would be a sin, consider that in the Book of Judges God helps Samson commit suicide when faced with a similair situation.

[xsuite]

Eynon81 wrote: xsuite wrote: What about if one was being tortured so severely that they drowned themselves in the toilet, rather that be tortured?

I don't think that would be a sin, consider that in the Book of Judges God helps Samson commit suicide when faced with a similair situation.
good point. What about commiting suicide for torture incurred while you are being persecuted for being a christian?

[Snarf]

Consider the state of the world, it might be more rational than staying around for the Hell on Earth we are creating.

To say that God would not understand a suicide is to say that God doesn’t understand the human heart. That I find impossible to believe…

[eynon]

xsuite wrote: Eynon81 wrote: xsuite wrote: What about if one was being tortured so severely that they drowned themselves in the toilet, rather that be tortured?

I don't think that would be a sin, consider that in the Book of Judges God helps Samson commit suicide when faced with a similair situation.
good point. What about commiting suicide for torture incurred while you are being persecuted for being a christian?

Don't think the good-lord would hold that one against ya.......I think he'd be more concerned about those doing the torturing :wink:

[cap'n queasy]

I would say the worst thing about suicide is that you cannot change it.

Once it's done it's done.

But then that's what is bad about every sin.

[xsuite]

cap'n queasy wrote: I would say the worst thing about suicide is that you cannot change it.

Once it's done it's done.

But then that's what is bad about every sin.
yeah, but for everyother sin you have earthly time to repent and apologize suicide, you dont.

PS How long do you think it will take for psholtz to hijack this thread?

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: I would say the worst thing about suicide is that you cannot change it.

Once it's done it's done.

But then that's what is bad about every sin.

(scratches head) no doubt that suicide can be a very, very bad thing....but I'm still confused on if it is always a sin again why G-d gave Samson the strength to kill himself? :-|


btw....we are both in agreement it's not a mortal sin, right?

[xsuite]

Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I would say the worst thing about suicide is that you cannot change it.

Once it's done it's done.

But then that's what is bad about every sin.

(scratches head) no doubt that suicide can be a very, very bad thing....but I'm still confused on if it is always a sin again why G-d gave Samson the strength to kill himself? :-|


btw....we are both in agreement it's not a mortal sin, right?
Wikipedia says that it is a mortal sin. BUt personally i beleive that being saved gives me forgiveness past present and future. I am not 100% on these beleifs though. Both arguments make sense.
Quote: Christianity

Christianity is traditionally opposed to suicide, and assisted suicide.

In Catholicism specifically, suicide has been considered a grave and sometimes mortal sin. The chief Catholic argument is that one's life is the property of God, and that to destroy one's own life is to wrongly assert dominion over what is God's. This argument runs into a famous counter-argument by David Hume, who noted that if it is wrong to take life when a person would naturally live, it must be wrong to save life when a person would naturally die, as this too seems to be contravening God's will.

On a different line, many Christians believe in the sanctity of human life, a principle which, broadly speaking, says that all human life is sacred -- a wonderful, even miraculous creation of the divine God -- and every effort must be made to save and preserve it whenever possible.

Conservative Christians (Evangelicals, Charismatics and Pentecostals) have often argued that because suicide involves self-murder, then anyone who commits it automatically goes to Hell. A number of Biblical figures committed suicide, most notably Judas Iscariot who hung himself after betraying Christ. While suicide is certainly treated in a negative way in the Bible, there is, however, no specific verse that explicitly states that suicide leads directly to Hell. As a result, there is a growing belief that Christians who commit suicide are still granted Eternal life.

Nevertheless, even while believing that suicide is generally wrong, liberal Christians may well recognise that people who commit suicide are severely distressed and so believe that the loving God of Christianity can forgive such an act.

[cap'n queasy]

I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: PS How long do you think it will take for psholtz to hijack this thread?


He's the "Al Capone" of this forum. :lol:

J/K Paul.

[xsuite]

cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins. what about a gunshot or bomb? repent before hand?

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins.

but....what if a believer kills themselves?

[cap'n queasy]

xsuite wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins. what about a gunshot or bomb? repent before hand?

Don't commit suicide and you don't have to worry about it.

Anyway a thought only takes a microsecond.

Maybe you could repent as the bullet left the chamber. Who knows.

[cap'n queasy]

Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins.

but....what if a believer kills themselves?

Well, I would say a professing believer might do that. And if that is the case, they may repent and find the Lord as the life ebbs away. I don't think someone who totally believed in their heart would commit suicide. The life God gives us is too precious for that. You would be wasting a second that you could be witnessing to a lost soul.

Especially if you were being tormented for your belief. I would much rather cheat the devil than cheat someone out of a chance for salvation.

That person who is tormenting you might be the one who is changed because he sees what you did. No true believer would miss an opportunity to like that to help save someone that was that lost.

[xsuite]

cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins.

but....what if a believer kills themselves?

Well, I would say a professing believer might do that. And if that is the case, they may repent and find the Lord as the life ebbs away. I don't think someone who totally believed in their heart would commit suicide. The life God gives us is too precious for that. You would be wasting a second that you could be witnessing to a lost soul.

Especially if you were being tormented for your belief. I would much rather cheat the devil than cheat someone out of a chance for salvation.

That person who is tormenting you might be the one who is changed because he sees what you did. No true believer would miss an opportunity to like that to help save someone that was that lost.
Really good point there! But then to play worst case scenario that the torturer has marked himself with the mark of the beast. THen what!!

[cap'n queasy]

xsuite wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins.

but....what if a believer kills themselves?

Well, I would say a professing believer might do that. And if that is the case, they may repent and find the Lord as the life ebbs away. I don't think someone who totally believed in their heart would commit suicide. The life God gives us is too precious for that. You would be wasting a second that you could be witnessing to a lost soul.

Especially if you were being tormented for your belief. I would much rather cheat the devil than cheat someone out of a chance for salvation.

That person who is tormenting you might be the one who is changed because he sees what you did. No true believer would miss an opportunity to like that to help save someone that was that lost.
Really good point there! But then to play worst case scenario that the torturer has marked himself with the mark of the beast. THen what!!

You will likely be decapitated.

[airo]

cap'n queasy wrote: xsuite wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I'm not going to attempt to judge it.

I think someone could repent and find the Lord as the life ebbed from their veins. what about a gunshot or bomb? repent before hand?

Don't commit suicide and you don't have to worry about it.

Anyway a thought only takes a microsecond.

Maybe you could repent as the bullet left the chamber. Who knows. That's getting a little legalistic, don't you think Cap'n?

Couldn't you repent BEFORE you commited suicide? I don't think you can fool God by waiting till afterwards to repent, or by only choosing a method of suicide that would give you a chance to repent after the work was done.