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SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

Here's an interesting article in today's USA Today by former
U.S Pres about Israel's continued de-facto annexation of territory not belonging to it.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20060516/oplede16.art.htm

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

You appear to have mislaid your article. ;)

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

Pebble wrote: You appear to have mislaid your article. ;)

Indeed.....:-)

Thanks.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

He forgot to mention the events leading up to Israel's possession of the West Bank.

They didn't just waltz in there and take over for nothing.

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

cap'n queasy wrote: He forgot to mention the events leading up to Israel's possession of the West Bank.

They didn't just waltz in there and take over for nothing.

right Cap'n...whatever you say, Palestinian homes, land gets taken away from them ....THEM being the victims in all of this....not to mention killings, torture, detention without trial, and you STILL blame them for their predicament.

Wonderful.

Too bad Jimmy Carter wasn't so myopic when he was President....could have probably done something about it .... not much he can do now.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Two million out of nearly seven million Israeli citizens are Palestinian Arabs. That's nearly a third of the population. No one "took" the homes of the people who left. They joined the Arab League because they thought they could take Israel from the Jews and lost.

They gambled and lost.

You don't get your money back in Vegas when you lose. You go home broke. It's their own fault that they ended up in this situation.

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

cap'n queasy wrote: Two million out of nearly seven million Israeli citizens are Palestinian Arabs. That's nearly a third of the population. No one "took" the homes of the people who left. They joined the Arab League because they thought they could take Israel from the Jews and lost.

They gambled and lost.

You don't get your money back in Vegas when you lose. You go home broke. It's their own fault that they ended up in this situation.

Cap'n....If I didn't know better, I'd say you're trying to exercise your Texas sense of humour here....

850,000 refugees were created when the newly formed state of Israel was created. That's what war does , it creates refugees . They leave either because of sheer terror or of coercion. 850,000 victims were never allowed to return to their homes...a further 350,000 terrorised civilians were made refugees in '67....

I won't even waste my time with your Vegas statement. Or is that just more o'that Texas humour?..... :-|

I'd leave it out if I were you.....

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8673 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: 850,000 refugees were created when the newly formed state of Israel was created. That's what war does , it creates refugees . They leave either because of sheer terror or of coercion. 850,000 victims were never allowed to return to their homes...a further 350,000 terrorised civilians were made refugees in '67....

Wrong. They werent created because Israel was created. They were created because of War.

As for 1967, by definition there werent Refugees. The people of the West Bank were Jordanian citizens, they simply moved across the river into what was then called East Jordan.

Quote: right Cap'n...whatever you say, Palestinian homes, land gets taken away from them ....THEM being the victims in all of this....not to mention killings, torture, detention without trial, and you STILL blame them for their predicament.

Yes we kill the terrorists I wont dispute that, they try to fight us and they will die.

We dont torture, if we thought it would get the results we want we would. But it doesnt give satisfactory results so we dont.

We imprison them without trial, you dont give a trial to your enemies anymore than any other foe during a time of war. Those accused of an actual crime not the terrorists or militants we capture, do stand trial as those who are about to stand trial for the murder of a government minister.

Quote: Too bad Jimmy Carter wasn't so myopic when he was President....could have probably done something about it .... not much he can do now.

Thank god.

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

superskippy wrote: Quote: 850,000 refugees were created when the newly formed state of Israel was created. That's what war does , it creates refugees . They leave either because of sheer terror or of coercion. 850,000 victims were never allowed to return to their homes...a further 350,000 terrorised civilians were made refugees in '67....

Wrong. They werent created because Israel was created. They were created because of War.

As for 1967, by definition there werent Refugees. The people of the West Bank were Jordanian citizens, they simply moved across the river into what was then called East Jordan.

Quote: right Cap'n...whatever you say, Palestinian homes, land gets taken away from them ....THEM being the victims in all of this....not to mention killings, torture, detention without trial, and you STILL blame them for their predicament.

Yes we kill the terrorists I wont dispute that, they try to fight us and they will die.

We dont torture, if we thought it would get the results we want we would. But it doesnt give satisfactory results so we dont.

We imprison them without trial, you dont give a trial to your enemies anymore than any other foe during a time of war. Those accused of an actual crime not the terrorists or militants we capture, do stand trial as those who are about to stand trial for the murder of a government minister.

Quote: Too bad Jimmy Carter wasn't so myopic when he was President....could have probably done something about it .... not much he can do now.

Thank god.

Read the top part of my damn post skippy.....I said what you said...even bolded it...just for you.

Your enemies are the Palestinian people Skippy. You demonize them, you kill them and you oppress. Nothing to be proud of friend. Nothing at all. Oh, and the refugees of 1967 are exactly that. The UN says so, the world community says so. You can say what you want. It changes nothing. Fleeing an attacking army while missiles and shells land all around you is more than "simply moving across the river" buddy, you're fleeing for your life.

What a joker you are....really....

Anyway , we're off-topic here, the article lays out Israel's plans for it's latest land grab very well but Jimmy 's missed the boat on this one years ago.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: London

cap'n queasy wrote: Two million out of nearly seven million Israeli citizens are Palestinian Arabs. That's nearly a third of the population. No one "took" the homes of the people who left. They joined the Arab League because they thought they could take Israel from the Jews and lost.

They gambled and lost.

You don't get your money back in Vegas when you lose. You go home broke. It's their own fault that they ended up in this situation.

That quote just sums you up cap'n queasy. The Jews decided to declare a state in Palestine when it was'n warranted. You talk in terms of "gambled and lost", lets say that the Israeli's in the future lose a war. The Syrians take back the Golan heights and some Israeli Jews get expelled from their homes ect ect. Will the "They gambled and lost" analogy still be applicable?

henri · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 338

SpartanPhalanx wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: He forgot to mention the events leading up to Israel's possession of the West Bank.

They didn't just waltz in there and take over for nothing.

right Cap'n...whatever you say, Palestinian homes, land gets taken away from them ....THEM being the victims in all of this....not to mention killings, torture, detention without trial, and you STILL blame them for their predicament.

Wonderful.

Too bad Jimmy Carter wasn't so myopic when he was President....could have probably done something about it .... not much he can do now.

*****
Jimmy Carter: "It's political suicide if you go against the wishes of the Israeli Lobby".

*****

ZIONIST POWER STRUCTURE IN AMERICA (Dr. Albert D. Pastore: An Independent Investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism, chapter 7)

Even the Zionists themselves have never denied that they have long exerted great influence in America.
But what we must understand is that the Zionists do not merely influence Unites States policy....THEY DOMINATE IT.

IT IS THIS DOMINATION THAT ENABLES THEM TO PULL OFF MONSTROUS CRIMES AND THEN CONCEAL THEM FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC

The observation that Zionists dominate the American media, government, academia, and Hollywood has been made by many prominent Americans and is easily verifiable by public information.

HENRY FORD said this:
"If after having elected their man or group, obedience is not rendered to the Jewish control, then you speedily hear of "scandals" and "investigations" and "impeachments" for the removal of the disobedient. Usually a man with a "past" proves the most obedient instrument, but even a good man can often be tangled up in campaign practices that compromise him.
It has been commonly know that Jewish manipulation of American election campaigns have been so skilfully handled, that no matter which candidate was elected, there was ready made a sufficient amount of evidence to discredit him in case his Jewish masters needed discredit him."

CHARLES LINDBERGH said this:
"Their greatest danger to this country lies in the Jewish ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government."

ADMIRAL THOMAS MOORE, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:
"I've never seen a President -I don't care who he is- stand up to them (the Israelis). It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on".

While a quest on ABC's Face The Nation, WILLIAM FULBRIGHT - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committe - once said before a national audience:
"Israel controls the United States, We should be more concerned about the United States' interests".

Nationally syndicated columnist and former presidential candidate PATRICK BUCHANAN said:
"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory".

And US religious leader BILLY GRAHAM and President RICHARD NIXON once had the following exchance, which was cought on tape:
Graham: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain".
Nixon: "You believe that?"
Graham: "Yes sir"
Nixon: "Oh boy. So do I. 'I can't ever say that' but I do believe it".

More recently, US Brigadier General JAMES J. DAVID (Ret.) in an article entitled 'A Passionate Attachement to Israel', wrote:

"For more than 54 years the Israelis have committed acts that no other nation would dare get away with. But even here in America, where it is not yet illegal to publicly ask the wrong questions, - any public figure that does so is subjected to smears, intimidation, and the attempted destruction of his career and reputation by Jewish organizations and by the very cooperative news media - ".

*****

ARIEL SHARON, Israel Prime Minister, homicidal psychopath, Jewish Mafia member to Shimon Peres:

"Every time we do something, you [Shimon Peres] tell me America will do this and will do that...I want to tell you something very clear:
DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL.
WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT"

BTW Spartan,

On September 11, 2001, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them DANCING, HIGH-FIVING AND CELEBRATING as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster across the river in New Jersey.
(THE DANCING ISRAELIS- Dr. Albert D. Pastore: An independent investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism, chapter 2)

ISRAEL, SIEG HEIL !

[/u]

uzi · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 998

What are your sources, henri?

I'd love to take a look at them. It's common practice to cite your sources.

You mentioned "Albert D. Pastore: An independent investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism" a couple of times, but where are you copying this from, pray tell.

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

uzi wrote: What are your sources, henri?

I'd love to take a look at them. It's common practice to cite your sources.

You mentioned "Albert D. Pastore: An independent investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism" a couple of times, but where are you copying this from, pray tell.

Uzi...

Here's an exerpt of Peres shouting at Sharon when he said "We, the Jewish people control America and the Americans know it".....as was reported by IAP news on 03Oct 2001....

http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm

uzi · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 998

Are you going to quote from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion next as well?

Those Joos control everything!

(Thanks Duchifas, I don't know where you got it, but I loved it. The JOOS!)

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1573

Once I went to a Chinese restaurant and, out of curiosity, asked the waitress "Do you have any Chinese Jews?"

The waitress said she'd go check and reappeared from the kitchen just as I was finishing off my bowtie. "Sorry," she says. "We have orange Jews ... and apple Jews ... but no Chinese Jews."

*cue groans*

SpartanPhalanx · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2198 Location: 3rd rock

uzi wrote: Are you going to quote from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion next as well?

Those Joos control everything!

(Thanks Duchifas, I don't know where you got it, but I loved it. The JOOS!)

Shooting the messenger are we Uzi?...... :wink:

henri · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 338

uzi wrote: What are your sources, henri?

I'd love to take a look at them. It's common practice to cite your sources.

You mentioned "Albert D. Pastore: An independent investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism" a couple of times, but where are you copying this from, pray tell.

Go to:
www.the7thfire.com/9-11/Pastore_Investigation_of_%209-11/table_of_contents.htm

This is the table of contents of Dr. Pastore's book.
There are 23 chapters alltogether....happy reading

henri · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 338

henri wrote: uzi wrote: What are your sources, henri?

I'd love to take a look at them. It's common practice to cite your sources.

You mentioned "Albert D. Pastore: An independent investigation of 9/11 and the war on terrorism" a couple of times, but where are you copying this from, pray tell.

Go to:
www.the7thfire.com/9-11/Pastore_Investigation_of_%209-11/table_of_contents.htm

This is the table of contents of Dr. Pastore's book.
There are 23 chapters alltogether....happy reading

*****

To uzi and fellow posters.

On the Foreword: Dogs Don't Bark chapter is a yellow list on the right
with various topics.
The first topic "9/11 and the Mossad" is very interesting. Click on it.

uzi · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 998

Thanks, but I don't read science-fiction. I'm sure psholtz would love to talk about it with you though. He loves X-Files and things like that. :)

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1573

That website reads as an attempt to blame Jews for all the bad parts of human nature (and presumably exonerate everyone else). I suppose such a view is attractive to people who have never done anything they considered wrong. Let me know if you meet one. (Excluding psychopaths, who I think have no concept of wrong or right)