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Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7582 Location: Tampa, FL

Moved to Scientific.

George W Bush · Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject:

:shock: I'm @ work and cant view videos but looks intriguing. Especially the scantily clad girl advertisements circling the video. My browser couldnt be closed fast enough. I'll check later when i'm home.

War Lord · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 367

Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

your website linked me to porno if that is what you wanted it to do then you should specify.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Water as fuel

War Lord wrote: Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

:gdgf: Ever hear of Solar energy? How about Hydro-electric or any of the others you don't need to burn FFs to make energy?

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

War Lord wrote: Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

your website linked me to porno if that is what you wanted it to do then you should specify.

What???? You didn't even watch the video. It is water with a process of water and electricity to make H3O. It can run a car on its own. It is water powered fuel.

Kindred · Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Water as fuel

Infinite911911 wrote: War Lord wrote: Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

:gdgf: Ever hear of Solar energy? How about Hydro-electric or any of the others you don't need to burn FFs to make energy?

Wind energy? Geothermal energy?

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Silkheat wrote: War Lord wrote: Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

your website linked me to porno if that is what you wanted it to do then you should specify.

What???? You didn't even watch the video. It is water with a process of water and electricity to make HHO. It can run a car on its own. It is water powered fuel.

There has to be a catch. I haven't figured it out yet. You can't get something for nothing.

US Retard · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 2389 Location: Wichita, KS

perdidochas wrote: There has to be a catch. I haven't figured it out yet. You can't get something for nothing.
Good point. After you burn all the water on this planet, life as we know it is forever extinct. Water never ever renews, unlike oil which naturally renews VERY slowly.

It's like another poster said:

DarthFluffy wrote: I think it's best not to hurry the potential water shortage, unless they can use saltwater, otherwise the US will end up going to war for blue gold, the oil of the future. Besides, like Mr Franklin points out, oil barons are too powerful to let it happen. Not that I support the use of gasoline, but water is too precious, and we don't have as much of it as most like to think. Ignorance, or willful blindness?

poweRob · Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 22263

perdidochas wrote: Silkheat wrote: War Lord wrote: Silkheat wrote: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

It was only a matter of time. IT is pretty awesome. not a chance. you have to burn a fossol to make energy.

your website linked me to porno if that is what you wanted it to do then you should specify.

What???? You didn't even watch the video. It is water with a process of water and electricity to make HHO. It can run a car on its own. It is water powered fuel.

There has to be a catch. I haven't figured it out yet. You can't get something for nothing.

The catch is it takes Water & Electricity.

So Water isn't the primary fuel. It is the byproduct or built fuel of an electric supplied process. Water isn't the fuel as they say it is. Water is the unrefined source that fuel is made of through a process that takes electricity to happen. In this instance, it looks like water would be like the Crude oil wherein you'd have to refine it or run it through a process to actually make fuel out of it. Which is where the electricity comes in to perform the electrolysis.

Where does the electricity come from? If it is used as a car fuel where you dump water in a tank, there has to be an on-board electrical supply that splits the water molecule through electrolysis as he says then something has to be powering the electricity that is splitting that molecule. Then if the guy builds a car that runs SOLELY on his principle... he won't have a water-powered car. It will be an electric car that makes, (HHO) to fuel the car. Kind of a hybrid at best.

The story is deceptive in having an apparent "water engine" running everything. They are merely stepping into the middle of a process and declaring victory. It's about as honest as saying the modern day combustion engine runs on air because air is injected into the cylindar and leaving out the part where the gas is injected in the cylinder as well.

HOWEVER... It could be an efficient process I don't know. I just know the way the story was presented was very deceitful or just done through ignorance.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7684 Location: Manchestar, innit

poweRob wrote: Where does the electricity come from? If it is used as a car fuel where you dump water in a tank, there has to be an on-board electrical supply that splits the water molecule through electrolysis as he says then something has to be powering the electricity that is splitting that molecule. Then if the guy builds a car that runs SOLELY on his principle... he won't have a water-powered car. It will be an electric car that makes, (HHO) to fuel the car. Kind of a hybrid at best.

That would be very inefficient. May as well just make it an electric car.

There are ways to get at hydrogen that don't require electrivcity, based off coal and gas. At the moment, those would be cheaper.

The only advantage of using hydrogen is its portability. The ways of making it aren't particularly efficient.

Sid · Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 4601 Location: Kansas

This is a particularly interesting method. A way of making the fuel cheaply would be to plaster your roof with solar panels and have that dedicated to the production of the fuel. I don't know how much power a single solar pannel puts out though, so that method may not work quickly enough to make much of a difference.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

US Retard wrote: perdidochas wrote: There has to be a catch. I haven't figured it out yet. You can't get something for nothing.
Good point. After you burn all the water on this planet, life as we know it is forever extinct. Water never ever renews, unlike oil which naturally renews VERY slowly.

It's not that. I'm just trying to figure out where the energy comes from. In this case, water is broken up into 2 parts hydrogen, one part oxygen. Then the hydrogen is burned and remade into water. I can't figure out where the energy to initially break the water comes from. And, it's against the laws of thermodynamics for the hydrogen recombined into water to produce more energy than the splitting process. The energy has to come from somewhere.....

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Sid wrote: This is a particularly interesting method. A way of making the fuel cheaply would be to plaster your roof with solar panels and have that dedicated to the production of the fuel. I don't know how much power a single solar pannel puts out though, so that method may not work quickly enough to make much of a difference.

It wouldn't.

poweRob · Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 22263

perdidochas wrote: Sid wrote: This is a particularly interesting method. A way of making the fuel cheaply would be to plaster your roof with solar panels and have that dedicated to the production of the fuel. I don't know how much power a single solar pannel puts out though, so that method may not work quickly enough to make much of a difference.

It wouldn't.

Solar will do the process of electrolysis of water however to produce hydrogen however. SHEC labs is working on it right now.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

poweRob wrote: perdidochas wrote: Sid wrote: This is a particularly interesting method. A way of making the fuel cheaply would be to plaster your roof with solar panels and have that dedicated to the production of the fuel. I don't know how much power a single solar pannel puts out though, so that method may not work quickly enough to make much of a difference.

It wouldn't.

Solar will do the process of electrolysis of water however to produce hydrogen however. SHEC labs is working on it right now.

My main point was that a solar cell the size of a car wouldn't, at present time, be a practical way to produce hydrogen.

Personally, I'm hopeful about prospects for bio-generation of hydrogen from biomass.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

Water is the most destructive force in nature and our most abundant greenhouse gas. Releasing an obscene amount of water vapor into the atmosphere is not a good idea.

Water vapor is by no means a benign emission.

poweRob · Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 22263

GTTofAK wrote: Water is the most destructive force in nature and our most abundant greenhouse gas. Releasing an obscene amount of water vapor into the atmosphere is not a good idea.

Water vapor is by no means a benign emission.

We could use some humidity here in Phoenix however. :lol:

AceKingQueenJack · Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 343 Location: North Carolina

Water has been used as a fuel for thousands of years. Although this is a new method, its not a new breakthrough to use water to generate energy.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

AceKingQueenJack wrote: Water has been used as a fuel for thousands of years. Although this is a new method, its not a new breakthrough to use water to generate energy.

Water has not been used as a fuel. Falling water has been used as an energy source. Fuel means it is burned.