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[Hotdog]

cool chick... Quote: What's sad is that people like Hotdog declare that all Muslims treat women poorly

Now, now, that's naughty. I have never said any such thing.

But it nevertheless remains true that amongst Islamic communities there is a very definite culture of tolerance for women being treated by some as mere chattels and possessions of their husbands.

Burqas are hardly the symbol of female emancipation, are they cool chick... ? I think even YOU might concede that such garb is indicative of Islamic society tolerating the notion of a woman being a mere possession of her spouse.

'Honour killings' are uniquely found in Islamic societies AND amongst immigrant Muslim groups to Western nations.

Sharai law stipulates that one man's word as a witness is equal to that of no less than three women.

In Islamic society - AND amongst immigrant Muslims it's often the case that the females of a household are obliged to remain at home unless escorted by a male member of the family.

And when did we last witness in Western society girls of 15 being publically hanged when found guilty of 'sexual promiscuity' as has happened only just recently in one of the Islamic societies?

And adulterous women being buried up to their neck and stoned to death in an Islamic society such as happens in Islamic parts of Northern Africa?

Get a clue, cool chick. It really isn't very 'cool' to defend a culture which tolerates such horrific barbarities as being all part of keeping faith with Islam.

[cool_chick]

It's not Islam "culture," it's some a$$holes. Just like there are some a$$holes that do horrid things to women right here in the west.

I understand there are some very oppressive places out there. And it's not just Muslims. Chinese kill their baby girls because they want boys.

You're assembling incidents in thousands and thousands and thousands of square miles in vast areas of the world pver multiple continents and making it into one compact little heading, Islam...and it's not accurate.

I could do that too, assemble all the domestic issues across Austrialia, US, each country in Europe, Canada, Mexico, and attribute it to "the mentality of the west"...but it wouldn't be accurate.

I am full aware there are a$$holes everywhere, doesn't matter if they're Muslim or not....including those who treat women poorly on forum boards. I don't give a sh!t where they're from or who the hell they worship. These individuals' mentality, whether they're from the west or from the Mideast shows just how they really feel about women....

But I dont' assign the behavior of a$$holes to innocent men either....again, I dont' give a sh!t where they're from or who the hell they worship........innocent is innocent.

It is YOU who really needs to really get a clue.

[Hotdog]

:lol: Wow! A lot of expletives there, cool chick! :lol: Very aggressive behaviour.

Might this not be an indication that you're finding it increasingly difficult to maintain your ridiculous posture of impartiality with regard to Islamic culture being flush-full with whole categories of social inequalities between the genders... as well as it being notable for a whole swathe of barbaric practices and attitudes which more properly belong to the Dark Ages than the 21st century... ?

With knowledge comes understanding. But first one must open one's eyes and make an honest and sincere effort - without fear or prejudice - to see what is the true nature of the matter you are seeking to study.

cool chick - you haven't as yet even begun your Journey of Discovery towards understanding the full implications of importing Islam into Western society. It is by far the most divisive and societally destructive social philosophy introduced into Western nations since the time of the Inquisition which raged across Europe in the 15th century.

If you spent less time bleaching your hair, and more time studying - yes, studying my tutorials here - you might soon get up to speed with what most other people know about Islam being responsible for a whole range of primitive social practices and attitudes - and it's being responsible for suicide bombings which are perpetrated in the name of 'Allah'.

[cool_chick]

Hotdog wrote: :lol: Wow! A lot of expletives there, cool chick! :lol: Very aggressive behaviour.

Might this not be an indication that you're finding it increasingly difficult to maintain your ridiculous posture of impartiality with regard to Islamic culture being flush-full with whole categories of social inequalities between the genders... as well as it being notable for a whole swathe of barbaric practices and attitudes which more properly belong to the Dark Ages than the 21st century... ?

Actually, no, not at all. I'm not a racist, and you'll never be able to turn me into one. Racists are ignorant people.

There are a lot of a$$holes out there....that's for sure.

Quote: With knowledge comes understanding. But first one must open one's eyes and make an honest and sincere effort - without fear or prejudice - to see what is the true nature of the matter you are seeking to study.

cool chick - you haven't as yet even begun your Journey of Discovery towards understanding the full implications of importing Islam into Western society. It is by far the most divisive and societally destructive social philosophy introduced into Western nations since the time of the Inquisition which raged across Europe in the 15th century.

If you spent less time bleaching your hair, and more time studying - yes, studying my tutorials here - you might soon get up to speed with what most other people know about Islam being responsible for a whole range of primitive social practices and attitudes - and it's being responsible for suicide bombings which are perpetrated in the name of 'Allah'.



I will never blame innocent people for guilty people's actions like you do. Racists do that.

And all the studying in the world doesn't make an innocent person guilty of something they didn't do.

And I'll never be with someone who denigrates and treats women poorly like you do. Talk about primitive social practices and attitudes, look in the mirror! Your posts reek of a primitive attitude towards women. You don't view women as your equal, you view them as lower than you. Gross.

And I don't "bleach" my hair. :roll:

Laters.

[Hotdog]

You're a neverending fund of inadvertent humour, cool chick! :lol:

cool chick... Quote: You don't view women as your equal, you view them as lower than you. Gross.

But of course! Doesn't every man?! The only difference is that some men lie about it while others don't.

Women should be seen and not heard, and when they're not in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant they should be in the bedroom pleasing their man.

It's not rocket science.

[cool_chick]

Hotdog wrote:

But of course! Doesn't every man?! The only difference is that some men lie about it while others don't.

Actually, no, not all men do.


Quote: Women should be seen and not heard, and when they're not in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant they should be in the bedroom pleasing their man.

I'm sure you believe that. Not surprising at all.

[Hotdog]

[navyblue]

cool_chick wrote:
Glad to oblige, Hotdog.
Small divergence of views tho, sad yes, but disgusting?... Are we still talking about hair collor? :lol: :lol:

What's sad is that people like Hotdog declare that all Muslims treat women poorly, but yet I'm not treated poorly by Muslims here, I'm treated poorly by people like Hotdog.

Not a one Muslim in my life or on this board treated me any less than an equal.

Additionally, I've yet to have a Muslim imply I'm a dumb blonde, or to make degrading "jokes" based on my sex...and to make it even more comical, one that can't even spell correctly.

Maybe people here should rethink these kinds of comments towards women that have been displayed in this thread by some westerners here and this kind of mentality toward women in general on the part of westerners on this board if they're going to try to take the superior attitude that all Westerners treat women better than most Muslims.

You have nerve. :shock: You assumed I am male based on my posts (??), referring to me as 'Dude', and after I corrected you, you insisted a second time I am a man. You then made an issue of my failure to disclose my gender, suggesting that I am embarrassed to acknowledge it. If your speech on comments based on sex are to have merit and your implication that you have been treated unfairly with respect to gender is to hold water, I think you need to reconsider how you pass judgement on others when it comes to the issue of gender.

Regarding the topic, Islam's history does not reflect that its women have been treated well and given equal status in Islamic society.

[cool_chick]

navyblue wrote:
You have nerve. :shock: You assumed I am male based on my posts (??), referring to me as 'Dude', and after I corrected you, you insisted a second time I am a man. You then made an issue of my failure to disclose my gender, suggesting that I am embarrassed to acknowledge it. If your speech on comments based on sex are to have merit and your implication that you have been treated unfairly with respect to gender is to hold water, I think you need to reconsider how you pass judgement on others when it comes to the issue of gender.

No nerve here. I never once denigrated you because I think you may be a man. I don't view men as any less than a woman. Not once did I use degrading terms for being a man.

I assumed you were a man based on the handle navyblue sounding more masculine, the fact that very few women post here, and those that do usually make it clear via profile, etc., 90%+ easily who post here are men.....and then later wondered why you'd be embarrassed to disclose this. That's it. No insulting of gender there. It's because I don't view men as any less status than women.

We've seen some of the most sexist comments out of this hotdog.....from the beginning.

Quote: Regarding the topic, Islam's history does not reflect that its women have been treated well and given equal status in Islamic society.

No history has reflected that women have been treated well and given equal status in any society, in any church. No religion, no society.... none. Hell, women were only begun being allowed any sort of real status starting in the 60s here in the US.

[cool_chick]

So tell us Navyblue, once and for all. You never, ever specifically stated either way.....

Are you a woman or a man?

[navyblue]

cool_chick wrote: No nerve here. I never once denigrated you because I think you may be a man. I don't view men as any less than a woman. Not once did I use degrading terms for being a man.

Where did I say you denigrated me? I said you argued that my gender is relevant. I submit that is a load of compost and has nothing to do with any debate here.

As I said, I don't advertise my gender with avatar images of someone I'm not to draw attention to my gender. I also don't place much info in my profile as a matter of practice. Your comment that I'm embarrassed by my gender is presumptous and lame, as is your notion that because not many women post here, I must not be one! Conversely, because you hold up a pic of a dead actress, give yourself a blatantly female handle, and claim to be a female, why should we believe you are?

Good grief.

Quote: I assumed you were a man based on the handle navyblue sounding more masculine, the fact that very few women post here, and those that do usually make it clear via profile, etc., 90%+ easily who post here are men.....and then later wondered why you'd be embarrassed to disclose this. That's it. No insulting of gender there. It's because I don't view men as any less status than women.

You're quite presumptuous. navyblue reflects that I have Navy loved ones, it's related to my academic and professional focus, and the community for whom I do charity work. I find it stunning that you think a 'handle' tells you who a person is, while you argue out of the other side of your mouth about bigoted ignorance.

So navyblue is 'masculine' sounding because...the Navy is associated with that 'patriarchal' military? What a slap in the teeth to women serving in the Navy! No bigotry there on your part. :-D

Quote: We've seen some of the most sexist comments out of this hotdog.....from the beginning.

No, not until his most recent comment.

Quote: No history has reflected that women have been treated well and given equal status in any society, in any church. No religion, no society.... none. Hell, women were only begun being allowed any sort of real status starting in the 60s here in the US.

Comparing pre-60's women in the US to women in Islam is absurd. Suffrage was one thing and I'm grateful for it. But to suggest that modern feminism 'liberated' any American woman or that it cut women free from a plight similar to Islamic misogyny is a lie.

[navyblue]

cool_chick wrote: So tell us Navyblue, once and for all. You never, ever specifically stated either way.....

Are you a woman or a man?

Yes, I did. Re-read my painfully simple acknowledgement that I'm female when you stupidly called me 'Dude', based on your irrational theory that 'navyblue' is strictly masculine and not many females post here. And tell me cool 'chick' once and for all. What is your obsession over my gender about? Why do you wave female symbols such as a Marilyn Monroe avatar and a name like 'cool chick'? It seems to be really important to you that we all think you're a woman. What gives? This is a discussion forum not a gender contest.

One can make a case or they can't. Gender is irrelevant.

BTW, what's your sexual preference, religion, political affiliation? Or shall I assume them based on your forum handle and the % of like or different posters we compare you to? And why does your internet claim that you're female assure us you are?

I can wear a pink bow if it makes you feel better...along with a splash of Chanel # 22. That's my favorite if you want to get me a Christmas or Ramadan present.

:roll:

If you have any further personal challenges, PM me.

[cool_chick]

navyblue wrote: cool_chick wrote: No nerve here. I never once denigrated you because I think you may be a man. I don't view men as any less than a woman. Not once did I use degrading terms for being a man.

Where did I say you denigrated me? I said you argued that my gender is relevant.

I did? relevant to what?

Quote: As I said, I don't advertise my gender with avatar images of someone I'm not to draw attention to my gender. I also don't place much info in my profile as a matter of practice.

Good for you. But don't be surprised and feign "offense" if people mistake your gender. If you don't divulge, without face-to-face or voice contact, on a website that over 90% are male, it's going to happen.

Quote: Your comment that I'm embarrassed by my gender is presumptous and lame, as is your notion that because not many women post here, I must not be one!

:cry1:

Quote: Conversely, because you hold up a pic of a dead actress, give yourself a blatantly female handle, and claim to be a female, why should we believe you are?

Honestly, it matters zero to me if you believe I'm a woman or not a woman. I genuinely could care less what you think. But I can assure you that two people here know me face-to-face that I am. :wink:


Quote:
You're quite presumptuous. navyblue reflects that I have Navy loved ones, it's related to my academic and professional focus, and the community for whom I do charity work.

Truth is, I honestly could give a sh!t. Sorry.

Quote: I find it stunning that you think a 'handle' tells you who a person is, while you argue out of the other side of your mouth about bigoted ignorance.

Sorry, but it sounds mascaline. You chose it, deal with it!

Now I"m a "bigot" because you don't disclose your gender on a website of 90%+ men posting with a masculine sounding handle? :rotf:

Quote: So navyblue is 'masculine' sounding because...the Navy is associated with that 'patriarchal' military? What a slap in the teeth to women serving in the Navy! No bigotry there on your part. :-D

Nope, absolutely no bigotry here. Navyblue is associated with a dark shade of blue to me. Sorry, nice try, but no dice.

Quote: Comparing pre-60's women in the US to women in Islam is absurd. Suffrage was one thing and I'm grateful for it. But to suggest that modern feminism 'liberated' any American woman or that it cut women free from a plight similar to Islamic misogyny is a lie.

(1) Short memory or are you that young?
(2) sure, if you're comparing all islamic women with the horrid treatment of some islamic women. But then I could compare American domestic abusers to kind Muslim men and be just as offbase.

[cool_chick]

navyblue wrote: cool_chick wrote: So tell us Navyblue, once and for all. You never, ever specifically stated either way.....

Are you a woman or a man?

Yes, I did. Re-read my painfully simple acknowledgement that I'm female when you stupidly called me 'Dude', based on your irrational theory that 'navyblue' is strictly masculine and not many females post here. And tell me cool 'chick' once and for all. What is your obsession over my gender about? Why do you wave female symbols such as a Marilyn Monroe avatar and a name like 'cool chick'? It seems to be really important to you that we all think you're a woman. What gives? This is a discussion forum not a gender contest.

Here's the honest-to-God's truth. I call so many people dudes, even at work. No one, not a one, got "hurt" like you.

I can't see your face, I use the word ALL THE TIME.....

Man, you need to grow a spine.

(oops, I hope she doesn't think I"m calling her a man now and get all hurt and upset.......oh my, did I hurt her feelings again?)

I promise you this though, since it hurts your feelings so much, I promise to never, ever, ever call you a dude again.

And trust me, I have no obsession, for one, I am not a fan of Hollywood, and I lack creativity, couldn't come up with any other name.....and all that came to mind was "cool chick"......:lol:

Quote: One can make a case or they can't. Gender is irrelevant.

Gender is quite irrelevant.

Quote: BTW, what's your sexual preference, religion, political affiliation? Or shall I assume them based on your forum handle and the % of like or different posters we compare you to? And why does your internet claim that you're female assure us you are?

hetersexual, Greek Orthodox, Libertarian.

You can assume what you want, but (1) it matters not to me, I have confidence in myself and there isn't a single thing a complete stranger on the internet could say that would shake that and (1) I assure you, I would not be thinking anything either way if you mistook my gender with a handle like "power-debator" and without a gender symbol, or if I had a handle like "blue-moon" without a gender symbol........especially on a website with 90+% male.....

Quote: I can wear a pink bow if it makes you feel better...along with a splash of Chanel # 22. That's my favorite if you want to get me a Christmas or Ramadan present.

where whatever the hell you want. I prefer wearing black. Bath and body works sprays are quite nice.


Quote:


If you have any further personal challenges, PM me.

Just one......this is the internet, with a handle and without gender indicated, you will probably be assumed to be a man from time to time on a board that is 90+% men....more like 95%.......don't be hurt by it. It's just the internet, this is just a forum....people here are strangers....they mean nothing to you......it's not that important....kiss your family instead.

Hopefully you'll take my advice.

[navyblue]

cool_chick wrote: navyblue wrote: cool_chick wrote: No nerve here. I never once denigrated you because I think you may be a man. I don't view men as any less than a woman. Not once did I use degrading terms for being a man.

Where did I say you denigrated me? I said you argued that my gender is relevant.

I did? relevant to what?

Quote: As I said, I don't advertise my gender with avatar images of someone I'm not to draw attention to my gender. I also don't place much info in my profile as a matter of practice.

Good for you. But don't be surprised and feign "offense" if people mistake your gender. If you don't divulge, without face-to-face or voice contact, on a website that over 90% are male, it's going to happen.

Quote: Your comment that I'm embarrassed by my gender is presumptous and lame, as is your notion that because not many women post here, I must not be one!

:cry1:

Quote: Conversely, because you hold up a pic of a dead actress, give yourself a blatantly female handle, and claim to be a female, why should we believe you are?

Honestly, it matters zero to me if you believe I'm a woman or not a woman. I genuinely could care less what you think. But I can assure you that two people here know me face-to-face that I am. :wink:


Quote:
You're quite presumptuous. navyblue reflects that I have Navy loved ones, it's related to my academic and professional focus, and the community for whom I do charity work.

Truth is, I honestly could give a sh!t. Sorry.

Quote: I find it stunning that you think a 'handle' tells you who a person is, while you argue out of the other side of your mouth about bigoted ignorance.

Sorry, but it sounds mascaline. You chose it, deal with it!

Now I"m a "bigot" because you don't disclose your gender on a website of 90%+ men posting with a masculine sounding handle? :rotf:

Quote: So navyblue is 'masculine' sounding because...the Navy is associated with that 'patriarchal' military? What a slap in the teeth to women serving in the Navy! No bigotry there on your part. :-D

Nope, absolutely no bigotry here. Navyblue is associated with a dark shade of blue to me. Sorry, nice try, but no dice.

Quote: Comparing pre-60's women in the US to women in Islam is absurd. Suffrage was one thing and I'm grateful for it. But to suggest that modern feminism 'liberated' any American woman or that it cut women free from a plight similar to Islamic misogyny is a lie.

(1) Short memory or are you that young?
(2) sure, if you're comparing all islamic women with the horrid treatment of some islamic women. But then I could compare American domestic abusers to kind Muslim men and be just as offbase.

You have quite a temper for someone that doesn't give a sh!t. Why don't you stop acting out over the gender thing and stick to the topic. Your tantrums and issues over my sex are creepy. Buzz off, 'k?

[cool_chick]

navyblue wrote:

You have quite a temper for someone that doesn't give a sh!t. Why don't you stop acting out over the gender thing and stick to the topic. Your tantrums and issues over my sex are creepy. Buzz off, 'k?

LMAO you mistake temper for boisterous and outgoing personality.

You perceive temper tantrums in me where there is none.

Go cry about your gender being mistaken somewhere else, k?

LOL, now I'm "creepy." God, youre a source of endless entertainment....and rather paranoid. No one is that "special" or "desirable" to me....ESPECIALLY on the internet...:rotf:....and that includes you. Besides, you're a friggin girl.....I don't do girls...sorry.

Maybe you and Hotdog should hook up. I'm sure he'll treat you like a real lady. :rotf:

[Tetracide]

Let's cool it down here. We're all adults (and if you're not, pretend to be one).

[navyblue]

cool_chick wrote: navyblue wrote:

You have quite a temper for someone that doesn't give a sh!t. Why don't you stop acting out over the gender thing and stick to the topic. Your tantrums and issues over my sex are creepy. Buzz off, 'k?

LMAO you mistake temper for boisterous and outgoing personality.

You perceive temper tantrums in me where there is none.

Go cry about your gender being mistaken somewhere else, k?

LOL, now I'm "creepy." God, youre a source of endless entertainment....and rather paranoid. No one is that "special" or "desirable" to me....ESPECIALLY on the internet...:rotf:....and that includes you. Besides, you're a friggin girl.....I don't do girls...sorry.

Maybe you and Hotdog should hook up. I'm sure he'll treat you like a real lady. :rotf:

cool chick:

You seem confused. You brought up gender, couldn't stop asking about it, and made it an issue in multiple posts. I told you, gender is not the issue in this thread topic. Your above post is juvenile and lame.

:roll:

[cool_chick]

navyblue wrote:

cool chick:

You seem confused. You brought up gender, couldn't stop asking about it, and made it an issue in multiple posts. I told you, gender is not the issue in this thread topic.

:roll:

You seem confused. I said a sentence, with the word dude, (e.g., what are you talking about, dude....can't remember the specific sentence now), and you continue on and on all indignant......it's actually funny, in fact. I've never seen someone so indignant over something so very trivial....it's not like we can see each other's face or anything...

I called you a dude a second time. This "me bringing it up in multiple posts" is not true and is disinginuously misleading, trying to imply something sinister or unimportant which you invented that exists only in your own head. You and I went on about 4 posts total quoting back and forth, quoting each post, back then.

Hell, I had someone call me a he before, even with the "cool_chick" handle.....and all I said was...."first off, he is a she and".....(discussed the topic of the post). That easy. I wasn't hurt.....didn't matter.....he could call me a he until the end of time and it would matter not to me. He means nothing to me.

Bottom line, (1) I'm not homosexual, everyone who knows me knows this quite well, quit trying to imply I am by implying I'm "concerned with your gender" (2) you could be a girl or a guy, it matters not, you're a stranger, I don't even care if you're a eunich or a hermaphrodite, (3) I'm not "out to get you". (4) I'm not nor will I ever be "out to get anyone." That's laughable at best. Maybe you should get off the internet altogether if it's such a big concern of yours that you think you're being threatened on a forum board.....

And quite frankly, that was pages and pages and pages ago, and you brought it up again here, so apparently bringing up your gender here is more important to you than anyone else.