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mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

AllAmericanMan wrote: Quote: Unborn baby is an oxymoron.

The correct term is fetus Classic pro abortion pro life difference in thinking. Pro abortionists think in developmental stages and distinguish somethings value by how developed it is(example if it has brain waves) pro lifers just think of what the being is generally and do not care how far along the process is. They realise that conception is the first moment a new life is formed and could care less how old the BABY is.

Actually, typical "pro life" thinking is that anyone who doesn't agree with them that abortion should be banned is "pro abortion".

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

either you are for it or against it. there is no middle ground on murder.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Plodder wrote: either you are for it or against it. there is no middle ground on murder.

One problem... there is no murder.

It seems that the issue is that we are "pro-death" because we support a choice that could lead to murder. If that is the case, then we are all "pro-death" because every individual makes a choice that could potentially lead to murder.

Under that same logic, anyone that owns a computer could potentially use it to beat someone over the head until the victim is murdered, so I suppose the everyone on these forums is "pro-death".

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Green wrote: 8810385 wrote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

Would you rather be dead or poor?

This is pretty simple. An unborn baby has the same political rights of a baby. False.

Quote: They both have a heart, brain, lungs, liver, and everything else. False.

Quote: Killing a baby is illegal. Killing "unborn" babies should be illegal. No, it shouldn't, especially as there is no such thing any more than you are an "undead corpse." Your emotional histrionics don't help you much.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

your trolling hurts you only.

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:

Plodder wrote: either you are for it or against it. there is no middle ground on murder.

Yeah unless their country's sitting on a whole sh*tload of oil.

mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

Plodder wrote: either you are for it or against it. there is no middle ground on murder.

And with this one statement you neatly sumarize how the pro-life movement alienates everyone who disagrees with abortion in principle but also understands that a ban will not solve the problem.

Of course, since you are self-proclaimed totalitarian you really aren't very concerned with solving the problem. You just want everyone to do what you say.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: Of course, since you are self-proclaimed totalitarian you really aren't very concerned with solving the problem. You just want everyone to do what you say problem with forums is that you cannot detect sarcasm.

Quote: Yeah unless their country's sitting on a whole sh*tload of oil. lol no not even then.
Quote: One problem... there is no murder. only according to the pro abortionists.
and you make a descision that WILL lead to murder.

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject:

Plodder wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote: Yeah unless their country's sitting on a whole sh*tload of oil. lol no not even then.

Please, please tell me again that there is no "middle ground" on murder when many of the same politicians that are screaming themselves blue about the evils of abortion and euthanasia favor capital punishment and the invasion of other countries. And try to be convincing this time.

Plodder referring to abortion wrote: and you make a descision that WILL lead to murder.

Just remember man, stay on message, stay on message, stay on message. If you repeat something enough times with enough conviction it has to be true.

I don't know anything about you, so tell me: is your argument against abortion based on religious belief or personal moral values?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Plodder wrote: and you make a descision that WILL lead to murder.

Correction, we support a decision that COULD lead to "murder". Nothing is absolute, and I am sure that not every single mother in America is having an abortion.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: Please, please tell me again that there is no "middle ground" on murder when many of the same politicians that are screaming themselves blue about the evils of abortion and euthanasia favor capital punishment and the invasion of other countries. And try to be convincing this time. im against all of them. they are being hypocrites. Quote: Correction, we support a decision that COULD lead to "murder". Nothing is absolute, and I am sure that not every single mother in America is having an abortion. abortions lead to a death of an innocent human life 99.999999% of the time. i have heard of only one abortion survivor. ao it is staticstically absolute. and of course there are absolutes. Quote: If you repeat something enough times with enough conviction it has to be true.
no not rewally hitler trie that and it did not work. Quote: don't know anything about you, so tell me: is your argument against abortion based on religious belief or personal moral values? both. and reason and science.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Plodder wrote: Quote: Correction, we support a decision that COULD lead to "murder". Nothing is absolute, and I am sure that not every single mother in America is having an abortion. abortions lead to a death of an innocent human life 99.999999% of the time. i have heard of only one abortion survivor. ao it is staticstically absolute. and of course there are absolutes.

Again you misunderstood my claim.

Just because you make the choice available, that does not mean that everyone will select a certain option.

For example:

Do you own a gun?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Plodder wrote: of course there are absolutes.

Can you provide absolute proof?

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject:

Plodder wrote: Quote: Correction, we support a decision that COULD lead to "murder". Nothing is absolute, and I am sure that not every single mother in America is having an abortion.

abortions lead to a death of an innocent human life 99.999999% of the time. i have heard of only one abortion survivor. ao it is staticstically absolute. and of course there are absolutes.

The policy decision that allows women to get abortions does not mean that all women will choose to have abortions, is what he meant.

Plodder wrote: Sikoanalisis wrote: don't know anything about you, so tell me: is your argument against abortion based on religious belief or personal moral values? both. and reason and science.

So which of them tells you that human life begins at the very moment of fertilization?

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

When you drink, and when you drink to the point that you get drunk, there is a very good chance that you will use poor judgement and get behind the wheel. When you go out and buy a gun, the chances go up that you will use it to kill someone. However, we dont go around throwing people in jail because they "might" drink and drive, or that they "might" shoot someone.

Why do you say that abortion is ok because the children "might" grow up to be criminals? By saying that, are you implying that you would rather a woman have an abortion who didnt intend on getting pregnant? You would be happier with her having the abortion, than having the child?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: When you drink, and when you drink to the point that you get drunk, there is a very good chance that you will use poor judgement and get behind the wheel. When you go out and buy a gun, the chances go up that you will use it to kill someone. However, we dont go around throwing people in jail because they "might" drink and drive, or that they "might" shoot someone.

Why do you say that abortion is ok because the children "might" grow up to be criminals? By saying that, are you implying that you would rather a woman have an abortion who didnt intend on getting pregnant? You would be happier with her having the abortion, than having the child?

..?

I have never made such arguments.

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

I appologise, I was in a hurry and should have been more clear to who and what I was talking about....It was not you.

8810385 wrote:
Quote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: I appologise, I was in a hurry and should have been more clear to who and what I was talking about....It was not you.

8810385 wrote:
Quote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

No problem, just wanted to clarify.

Politics Mstr · Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 48 Location: California

It's her body? We're talking about a baby here! Forget the women, this is a whole new life (or at least a whole new oppurtunity for life)! Stop being so self absorbed. From day one of pregnancy a woman is given the responsibility of a parent. The baby developing inside of her is an oppurunity for society to evolve into a better place!

Don't tell me every orphaned child turned out a mess. Just think about all the famouse people who had hard lives growing up but turned out to be people who massively changed the well-being of society! Women have no right to just assume that their kid is going to turn out badly. Destiny is not their decision.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Politics Mstr wrote: It's her body? We're talking about a baby here! False. We are talking about an embryo, or perhaps a fetus. Why don't you drop your unbalanced, emotional histrionics?

Quote: Forget the women, this is a whole new life (or at least a whole new oppurtunity for life)! How misogynistic of you. As we expect from pro-lifers.

Stop being so self absorbed. From day one of pregnancy a woman is given the responsibility of a parent.[/quote]Nope, she is not a parent until birth, regardless of how much responsibility you seek to impose on her in your quest to control, oppress and enslave her.

Quote: The baby developing inside of her There is no baby.

Quote: is an oppurunity for society to evolve into a better place! Or a worse place.

Quote: Don't tell me every orphaned child turned out a mess. Just think about all the famouse people who had hard lives growing up but turned out to be people who massively changed the well-being of society! Yes, some German Politician's father beat him a lot while he grew up in Austria. :lol: His hardship sure did the world a lot of good. :roll:

Quote: Women have no right to just assume that their kid is going to turn out badly. Sure they do. They have the right to think, feel or assume anything they want. Are you the thought police now?

Quote: Destiny is not their decision. But the control of their bodily resources is.