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8810385 · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 97

A whole forum dedicated to abortion! Wow. I'm for abortion. Because quality is better than quantity. If a fetus is not wanted by the mother, then it's her body, and she has the right to do with it as she wishes. We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

8810385 wrote: A whole forum dedicated to abortion! Wow. I'm for abortion. Because quality is better than quantity. If a fetus is not wanted by the mother, then it's her body, and she has the right to do with it as she wishes. We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

:lol: That gave me an evil laugh, classic.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8946

8810385 wrote: A whole forum dedicated to abortion! Wow. I'm for abortion. Because quality is better than quantity. If a fetus is not wanted by the mother, then it's her body, and she has the right to do with it as she wishes.

:clap: It's good to see someone else who values choice.

8810385 wrote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

:? ... not so sure if I agree with this part... we shouldn't force people to get abortions, it should be up to the parents, not the status of the embryo. Even if they are retarded, that should not be grounds for a forced abortion...

I stand on the side of Pro-Choice, not pro-abortion...

8810385 · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 97

LostSoul3412 wrote: 8810385 wrote: A whole forum dedicated to abortion! Wow. I'm for abortion. Because quality is better than quantity. If a fetus is not wanted by the mother, then it's her body, and she has the right to do with it as she wishes.

:clap: It's good to see someone else who values choice.

8810385 wrote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

:? ... not so sure if I agree with this part... we shouldn't force people to get abortions, it should be up to the parents, not the status of the embryo. Even if they are retarded, that should not be grounds for a forced abortion...

I stand on the side of Pro-Choice, not pro-abortion...

I wasn't suggesting that it should be forced. The point I wanted to make is that if abortion is made illegal, then there will be more unwanted kids, population, and crime.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

thats is an unfounded claim as you cannot prove it until abortion is outlawed.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8946

8810385 wrote: The point I wanted to make is that if abortion is made illegal, then there will be more unwanted kids, population, and crime.

I don't necessarily agree with your logic, but I can still follow it. Unwanted children would be the direct result of making abortions illegal, since there are abortions done to eliminate an unwanted embryo. From that, population would rise due to the number of children born, and that would also increase crime numbers simply by having more people.

But again, while I can understand where you're coming from, I don't know if I necessarily agree with your claims...

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

you ignore the fact that overpopulation in most place in the USA it is not a problem ecepy NYC and Chicago center and LA.
crime would increase byt so would law enforement. and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8946

Plodder wrote: you ignore the fact that overpopulation in most place in the USA it is not a problem ecepy NYC and Chicago center and LA.
crime would increase byt so would law enforement. and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life.

Proof for your overpopulation claim?

Proof that law enforcement has increased along with crime in the past?

Proof that children in adoption agencies find "a place in life"?

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life. Please provide evidence for your lie.

mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

Plodder wrote: you ignore the fact that overpopulation in most place in the USA it is not a problem ecepy NYC and Chicago center and LA.
crime would increase byt so would law enforement. and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life.

You make many, many assumptions, with no evidence to support any of them.

The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

Plodder wrote: you ignore the fact that overpopulation in most place in the USA it is not a problem ecepy NYC and Chicago center and LA.
crime would increase byt so would law enforement. and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life.

and unwanted kids will eventually find a place in life

Yeah, in ****ing Candyland! :lol:

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born. you cant prove it until it occurs. so please keep ypur hate remarks away and keep this forum civil.

there is no proof to indicate what will happen if abortions bacame illegel.

mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

Plodder wrote: Quote: The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born. you cant prove it until it occurs. so please keep ypur hate remarks away and keep this forum civil.

there is no proof to indicate what will happen if abortions bacame illegel.

Hate remarks? Which remarks are you referring to?

Ah, but there is proof. You see, we are not the first country to have this debate or to go back and forth with abortion policy.

In 1966, Romania outlawed abortion after years of having one of the most liberal abortion policies in the world. Children born in 1966 (and every year after until 1989, when the ban was lifted) tested worse in every category and were much more likely to become criminals than children born in 1965. The same results were found in Scandavian countries when they allowed and then banned abortion. Studies in Canada and Australia found the same thing. And our own crime rates started falling dramatically about 17 years after Roe v. Wade.

Children born into homes where they are not wanted have a much higher tendency towards criminal behavior - even if they are adopted into a home where they are wanted. Their parents are still statistically unlikely to be smart or educated, so they are still less likely to have the opportunities that kids born into welcoming homes will have.

Not to say that abortion is the correct solution to the problem, but you need to know that most abortions are not exactly impacting the cream of the crop.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: Quote: The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born. you cant prove it until it occurs. so please keep ypur hate remarks away and keep this forum civil. Really? You are now going to be civil and stop lying to us?

Quote: there is no proof to indicate what will happen if abortions bacame illegel. And yet you are making claims to that very extend. Hmm, what hypocricy.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

more liberal lies. jeez you pople are such liars!

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject:

mattwa33193 wrote: Plodder wrote: Quote: The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born. you cant prove it until it occurs. so please keep ypur hate remarks away and keep this forum civil.

there is no proof to indicate what will happen if abortions bacame illegel.

Hate remarks? Which remarks are you referring to?

Ah, but there is proof. You see, we are not the first country to have this debate or to go back and forth with abortion policy.

In 1966, Romania outlawed abortion after years of having one of the most liberal abortion policies in the world. Children born in 1966 (and every year after until 1989, when the ban was lifted) tested worse in every category and were much more likely to become criminals than children born in 1965. The same results were found in Scandavian countries when they allowed and then banned abortion. Studies in Canada and Australia found the same thing. And our own crime rates started falling dramatically about 17 years after Roe v. Wade.

Children born into homes where they are not wanted have a much higher tendency towards criminal behavior - even if they are adopted into a home where they are wanted. Their parents are still statistically unlikely to be smart or educated, so they are still less likely to have the opportunities that kids born into welcoming homes will have.

Not to say that abortion is the correct solution to the problem, but you need to know that most abortions are not exactly impacting the cream of the crop.

Sounds plausible, but I am biased. Could you provide a source?

Green

8810385 wrote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

Would you rather be dead or poor?

This is pretty simple. An unborn baby has the same political rights of a baby. They both have a heart, brain, lungs, liver, and everything else. Killing a baby is illegal. Killing "unborn" babies should be illegal.

mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: mattwa33193 wrote: Plodder wrote: Quote: The fact is that the place a lot of unwanted kids find is prison. The demographic of a househould that is most likely to have an abortion is identical to the demographic of a houshold that is most likely to raise a criminal.

The problem with pro-lifers is that most of them don't give a crap about the kid once it is born. you cant prove it until it occurs. so please keep ypur hate remarks away and keep this forum civil.

there is no proof to indicate what will happen if abortions bacame illegel.

Hate remarks? Which remarks are you referring to?

Ah, but there is proof. You see, we are not the first country to have this debate or to go back and forth with abortion policy.

In 1966, Romania outlawed abortion after years of having one of the most liberal abortion policies in the world. Children born in 1966 (and every year after until 1989, when the ban was lifted) tested worse in every category and were much more likely to become criminals than children born in 1965. The same results were found in Scandavian countries when they allowed and then banned abortion. Studies in Canada and Australia found the same thing. And our own crime rates started falling dramatically about 17 years after Roe v. Wade.

Children born into homes where they are not wanted have a much higher tendency towards criminal behavior - even if they are adopted into a home where they are wanted. Their parents are still statistically unlikely to be smart or educated, so they are still less likely to have the opportunities that kids born into welcoming homes will have.

Not to say that abortion is the correct solution to the problem, but you need to know that most abortions are not exactly impacting the cream of the crop.

Sounds plausible, but I am biased. Could you provide a source?

Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt. He's got it all cited and footnoted.

mattwa33193 · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 904 Location: Miami

Green wrote: 8810385 wrote: We don't need any more unwanted kids to grow up in bad conditions and become criminals. Or if they are retarded. That's not a good life.

Would you rather be dead or poor?

This is pretty simple. An unborn baby has the same political rights of a baby. They both have a heart, brain, lungs, liver, and everything else. Killing a baby is illegal. Killing "unborn" babies should be illegal.

Unborn baby is an oxymoron.

The correct term is fetus.

AllAmericanMan · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 3606

Quote: Unborn baby is an oxymoron.

The correct term is fetus Classic pro abortion pro life difference in thinking. Pro abortionists think in developmental stages and distinguish somethings value by how developed it is(example if it has brain waves) pro lifers just think of what the being is generally and do not care how far along the process is. They realise that conception is the first moment a new life is formed and could care less how old the BABY is.