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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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sgtshortness wrote: Quote: Labeling a newly conceived human life subhuman is nothing less than age discrimination
Time to let four-month-old babies vote because not letting them vote is age discrimination, then.
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Time to let four-month-old babies vote because not letting them vote is age discrimination, then. As if the right to vote has anything to do with the right to live.
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AllAmericanMan
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Quote: And lung cancer surgery enables people to have a more care free smoking life by giving them an "easy" way out. So what? It is almost as if you want to punish them and make them suffer for being pregnant against YOUR will, eh? fascism rears its ugly head again. Alive and well in the pro-life movement.
You're using emotional histrionics and hyperbole or whatever you call it. Lung cancer has nothing to do with ending the life of a unique human individual. Next.
Quote: Why? It is none of your business why other people have sex, never mind how much you want to use the theocratic state to control people's actions. Inquisition all over again. Some of us will rather die than be oppressed by the theocratic fascism you are pushing. If you want a culture war, rest assured that you will.
I'm actually an Atheist, nice try though. I believe there is no such thing as an afterlife or a soul. All we have is a highly advanced brain which enables us to make such horrible decisions as abortion. That is why I am so against abortion. When you conceive a new human life, you have set down the blueprints for an amazingly unique individual. When you destroy those blueprints, that mold for a person will never set foot on this planet. Hence you have robbed a certain individual of their ENTIRE existence. i can not imagine a crime worse than this.
That is why I'm stupid enough to debate it here with people like you. if i can change just one mind or prevent one abortion, all my efforts will be worth it a billion times over.
Quote: But then, it is fortunate that this does not occur during an abortion anyway.
Uh yes quite obviously it does.
Quote: 1) there is no baby. (2) Your belief doesn't match reality. there is no such right, regardless of how much you want there to be.
Yes there is a baby inside the mother growing and thriving until people like you come in and kill it. 2) that's what the whole debate is about. next.
Quote: Rather irrelevant. Abortion is not murder Again, that's what this entire section on the forums is dedicated to debating. All you seem to do however is project your tactics onto others by calling everything you disagree with a lie and calling me a fascist because I care about the millions of human lives that are being thrown away.
Quote: This fantasy creature of your wild and overheated imagination did not exist.
Again yes it does, no matter how subhuman you try to make it out to be. 2 humans have engaged in sexual intercourse and conceived a new human life.
Quote: must be forced"!!!! Yes, that sums up the pro-life movement right there. Pure misogyny. Oppression and control of women through enslavement. Disgusting. No wonder your types seem so utterly despicable and disgusting. The woman has the right not to have sex. She chose to procreate now I believe the life she created shouldn't be murdered in cold blood. That in no way once so ever makes me misogynistic or advocating the enslavement of women. Again you resort to lies, faulty assumptions, emotional rhetoric all the while projecting your tactics onto the other side. Its called insanity. |
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steen
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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So all you had was more irrelevant blabbering nonsense, relying on wordsmithing, revisionist linguistics and emotional hyperbole and imagery. Yes, typical pro-life nonsense "just because I say so" irrelevant blabbering.
Now, who exactly are you hoping to convince through such silly and stupid tactics? |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: So all you had was more irrelevant blabbering nonsense, relying on wordsmithing, revisionist linguistics and emotional hyperbole and imagery. Yes, typical pro-life nonsense "just because I say so" irrelevant blabbering.
Now, who exactly are you hoping to convince through such silly and stupid tactics? Again you project your tactics onto me. Your response doesnt involve a shred of refudiation except that "you say so" |
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steen
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| AllAmericanMan wrote: Again you project your tactics onto me. Your response doesnt involve a shred of refudiation except that "you say so" How sad. You are talking to the mirror again. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be. |
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steen
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be. But it isn't. So when you claim that it is, you are lying. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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steen wrote: straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be. But it isn't. So when you claim that it is, you are lying.
I did not claim that abortion IS murder. I claimed that it CAN be murder. So when you claim that I claim that it is murder, YOU are lying. :roll: |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: How sad. You are talking to the mirror again. You are hereby placed on official ignore by me. When you come up with a legit argument about anything I might respond to you. From now on, im silent. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Now, who exactly are you hoping to convince through such silly and stupid tactics? actually, i usually find that atheists are pro death. while i may differ from his argumants, he has some that i had never considered before and i like them a lot.
Quote: But it isn't. So when you claim that it is, you are lying. lets see... scirntific proof? not you histronic and BS about "I say so" |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be.
But the key is that it is not an automatic certainty. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote: straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be.
But the key is that it is not an automatic certainty.
It can be. In some countries abortion is all around illegal. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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straw man wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder.
It can be.
But the key is that it is not an automatic certainty.
It can be. In some countries abortion is all around illegal.
I am not doubting that, I am simply restating that abortion is a possibility, not an absolute certainty. |
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steen
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straw man wrote: steen wrote: straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder. It can be. But it isn't. So when you claim that it is, you are lying. I did not claim that abortion IS murder. Good. AAM certainly did.
Quote: I claimed that it CAN be murder. So when you claim that I claim that it is murder, YOU are lying. :roll: But then, what I said was that WHEN you claim it to be murder, then you are lying. If you don't claim so, then you are not lying. Friggin' illiterate pro-lifers. Why is it always such a weird incomprehension when dealing with you types? |
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steen
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| straw man wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: straw man wrote: steen wrote: Abortion is not murder. It can be. But the key is that it is not an automatic certainty. It can be. In some countries abortion is all around illegal. Which also doesn't automatically mean that it is murder. It certainly can be illegal without being murder. What are the legal codes of these countries that specify abortion as "murder"? No? |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Actually according to the peruvian health code, abortion is murder since life begins at conception. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Plodder wrote: Actually according to the peruvian health code, abortion is murder since life begins at conception.
According to American law (which defines murder), it is not murder until after the embryo is born. |
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Plodder
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| american law alos said for many years that separate but equal was fair and that slavery was a moral right. |
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straw man
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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steen wrote: (1) there is no baby...
Talk about your revisionist linguistics! Nevermind calling a fetus a "baby" is a widespread and commonly accepted connotation, with widespread usage, which as a result wound up as perfectly valid definition in the dictionary. You probably should refrain from bringing up someone else's revisionist linguistics, especially when it is done on purpose in a sarcastic thread. You are so much more black than the tea kettle.
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Question: Do you accuse all those dictionaries of "revisionist linguistics" as well? |
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