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[AllAmericanMan]

So I will ask again, what makes a newly conceived life subhuman? Lack of thought? It will develop thought. It is young, not subhuman, not dead.
It is a very very young human. Lack of viability? It is viable in its natural habitat, which is the womb. You are forcing an extremely immature human(s) out of their natural habitat thus killing them in the process.

A life is created upon conception. Through the unique process of human development, an entirely unique human individual(s) will continue to live and develop. A sentient being. While an embryo is not yet sentient, it is of the same species of sentient beings, and thus should retain said value even before it has the age needed to fulfill their capacity.

Pregnant women are clearly carrying offspring, be it an embryo or fetus. The human life never changes drastically at any point in the pregnancy thus it must maintain its value throughout. You cant pin point an exact time of human development when a human suddenly develops into a human. By creating such arbitrary definitions for words like person and human being, you are discriminating against the youngest and most innocent form of life we humans come in.

[Plodder]

oooooo steen suspended. hmmm I wonder why?

[AllAmericanMan]

Plodder wrote: oooooo steen suspended. hmmm I wonder why?
SOmeone who will remain nameless :-D Got sick of his name calling and reported him to a mod.

[Plodder]

ah life will be diffrent. im starting a thread for him.

[Libzilla]

Is an acorn an oak tree?

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[AllAmericanMan]

Libzilla wrote: Is an acorn an oak tree?

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[img]http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/christiantaliban.jpe[/img] Irrellevant. Unless youre talking about the sperm or egg by itself. Ask any embryologist. There is a very real scientific consensus in the field that the embryo is a human being. Human biology is vastly different than plant life.

[Libzilla]

AllAmericanMan wrote: Libzilla wrote: Is an acorn an oak tree?

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Irrellevant. Unless youre talking about the sperm or egg by itself. Ask any embryologist. There is a very real scientific consensus in the field that the embryo is a human being. Human biology is vastly different than plant life.

The genetic makeup of all life on earth is amazingly similar. Your "very real scientific consensus" is, I expect, pseudo-scientific opinion culled from Bob Jones university.

You are not chopping down several acres of oak forest if you rake up and dispose of several hundred acorns..potential trees. You are not disposing of humans when a zygote is aborted or miscarried.

The metaphor is sound. Scientific consensus backs this up.

[AllAmericanMan]

Libzilla wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: Libzilla wrote: Is an acorn an oak tree?

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Irrellevant. Unless youre talking about the sperm or egg by itself. Ask any embryologist. There is a very real scientific consensus in the field that the embryo is a human being. Human biology is vastly different than plant life.

The genetic makeup of all life on earth is amazingly similar. Your "very real scientific consensus" is, I expect, pseudo-scientific opinion culled from Bob Jones university.

You are not chopping down several acres of oak forest if you rake up and dispose of several hundred acorns..potential trees. You are not disposing of humans when a zygote is aborted or miscarried.

The metaphor is sound. Scientific consensus backs this up.

Genetic make up does not equal biological process.

Nothing pseudo about it. Life begins at conception and we've known that for about 100 years.

Human beings are not potential human beings while in the womb. They are in fact members of our species whether you want to admit that or not. Show me any medical evidence to the contrary.

[Plodder]

Quote: The metaphor is sound. Scientific consensus backs this up. actually science disagees with you.ant embryologist would agree.