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snow · Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 669

feederband wrote:

Point is you got the point..

Yeah, and the point is totally wrong. LOL @ "obstained." What a joke. :lol:

feederband · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 4156 Location: Florida

snow wrote: feederband wrote:

Point is you got the point..

Yeah, and the point is totally wrong. LOL @ "obstained." What a joke. :lol:

You know misspellings and typing to quickly happens...I am not worried for I know I will never be as wrong as you are anyway so slither on snow FLAKE......

wormwood · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 2670 Location: The P-Brane

Quote: Yeah, and the point is totally wrong. LOL @ "obstained." What a joke.

Quote: Judge: Obstained...Snow do you have any real evidence..

That is the funniest thing I have seen all week :lol:

Anyway,

Quote: Don't you recall the Scopes Trial? Darrow made a fool out of Bryan . Since you want someone to respond to this I will. The reason Bryan was made to look bad, was because he didn't know if he was reading the bible literally or not. At first he said he was, then he said some things have to be interpreted. Not really that big of a deal. There was no inherent flaw of Christianity exposed, only flawed understanding.

Omega1 · Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 456

wormwood wrote: Bryan was made to look bad, was because he didn't know if he was reading the bible literally or not. At first he said he was, then he said some things have to be interpreted. Not really that big of a deal. There was no inherent flaw of Christianity exposed, only flawed understanding.

And you think you have it all figured out. :roll: Bryan was their best guy and the Bible was exposed for what it is. A MYTH.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 24244

Omega1 wrote: wormwood wrote: Bryan was made to look bad, was because he didn't know if he was reading the bible literally or not. At first he said he was, then he said some things have to be interpreted. Not really that big of a deal. There was no inherent flaw of Christianity exposed, only flawed understanding.

And you think you have it all figured out. :roll: Bryan was their best guy and the Bible was exposed for what it is. A MYTH.

Actually...Jesus is our best guy. :wink:

feederband · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 4156 Location: Florida

wormwood wrote: That is the funniest thing I have seen all week :lol:

Yea I got a crack out of it my self...Got a few formus going that just blabbed out of my typing... :lol:

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

Omega1 wrote: the Bible was exposed for what it is. A MYTH.

Alright, here is proof God exists:
Jesus said he did. Jesus is a credible source because he performed many miracles and was resurrected.

If you disagree please explain i want to hear your reasoning.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9384

eXploiTeD wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Debate is not "your beliefs are BS" (as Omega stated) or "fine, believe in unicorns." That is just insults.

That's your idea of an insult? I imagine just about every conversation in which the participants disagree is also insulting, in your opinion? It is an apt comparison. If you can believe in God, you can also believe in unicorns, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. You've never seen or been shown documented and verifiable proof of them, but there one is, asserting they exist.
Let me clarify things for you.

Insults :"Your beliefs are BS" "You must believe in unicorns too."
Not insults: "I disagree, here is why."

Do you see the difference?

I have been shown, many times in my life, what proved to me the existence of God. Now, is that quantifiable proof that I could put through a scientific method? No. But, it is real to me and it is proof to me, and that is all that matters.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8086

UrielsFyre wrote: Let me clarify things for you.

Insults :"Your beliefs are BS" "You must believe in unicorns too."
Not insults: "I disagree, here is why."

Do you see the difference?

Not really, especially when I've already taken quite a bit of time explaining my opinion. By the way, I didn't call your beliefs BS, someone else did. Don't attribute that to me.

Quote: I have been shown, many times in my life, what proved to me the existence of God. Now, is that quantifiable proof that I could put through a scientific method? No. But, it is real to me and it is proof to me, and that is all that matters.

That's nice and all, but for the purposes of debating, not at all useful.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9384

eXploiTeD wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Let me clarify things for you.

Insults :"Your beliefs are BS" "You must believe in unicorns too."
Not insults: "I disagree, here is why."

Do you see the difference?

Not really, especially when I've already taken quite a bit of time explaining my opinion. By the way, I didn't call your beliefs BS, someone else did. Don't attribute that to me.

Quote: I have been shown, many times in my life, what proved to me the existence of God. Now, is that quantifiable proof that I could put through a scientific method? No. But, it is real to me and it is proof to me, and that is all that matters.

That's nice and all, but for the purposes of debating, not at all useful.
First, I didn't attribute it to you. If you will read back to my previous post, I cleary showed that it was Omega who stated that.

Second, I really don't care if you find the proof that I have been shown to be useful or not. Get this right, as you have stated it yourself: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF POSSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. Therefore, having a debate on whether one can prove the existence of God or not is completely pointless. This thread, and every other "God doesn't exist, you can't prove it" thread like it is not debate, but constant back-and-forths about why people do or don't believe in God.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8086

UrielsFyre wrote: First, I didn't attribute it to you. If you will read back to my previous post, I cleary showed that it was Omega who stated that.

Second, I really don't care if you find the proof that I have been shown to be useful or not. Get this right, as you have stated it yourself: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF POSSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. Therefore, having a debate on whether one can prove the existence of God or not is completely pointless. This thread, and every other "God doesn't exist, you can't prove it" thread like it is not debate, but constant back-and-forths about why people do or don't believe in God.

So let's talk about something else. Come on, it'll be fun. Maybe we can talk about how you use the word "proof" to describe your supposed personal revelations about God and/or religion. Sort of a misnomer, isn't it? What proof do you feel you have? Maybe you could describe it for us? What situations/occurences led you to conclude, despite an overwhelming lack of actual proof, that God exists?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9384

eXploiTeD wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: First, I didn't attribute it to you. If you will read back to my previous post, I cleary showed that it was Omega who stated that.

Second, I really don't care if you find the proof that I have been shown to be useful or not. Get this right, as you have stated it yourself: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF POSSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. Therefore, having a debate on whether one can prove the existence of God or not is completely pointless. This thread, and every other "God doesn't exist, you can't prove it" thread like it is not debate, but constant back-and-forths about why people do or don't believe in God.

So let's talk about something else. Come on, it'll be fun. Maybe we can talk about how you use the word "proof" to describe your supposed personal revelations about God and/or religion. Sort of a misnomer, isn't it? What proof do you feel you have? Maybe you could describe it for us? What situations/occurences led you to conclude, despite an overwhelming lack of actual proof, that God exists?
My personal experiences are none of your concern. Quite frankly, I don't feel like sharing them with someone who is just going to turn around and say "that's not proof, just coincidence." So, I'll save you the time. I have no scientific proof for the existence of God, and no one ever can. But, I have been shown things that proved it to me. I used to be a staunch atheist, until things happened in my life that showed me that God must exist. Do I care if you believe me? Not in the slightest.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8086

UrielsFyre wrote: My personal experiences are none of your concern. Quite frankly, I don't feel like sharing them with someone who is just going to turn around and say "that's not proof, just coincidence." So, I'll save you the time. I have no scientific proof for the existence of God, and no one ever can. But, I have been shown things that proved it to me. I used to be a staunch atheist, until things happened in my life that showed me that God must exist. Do I care if you believe me? Not in the slightest.

I would hope that you wouldn't attach any value to my opinions, since you don't know me, nor I, you. If you don't want to continue the conversation, that's fine... no need to get all pouty about it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

UrielsFyre wrote: eXploiTeD wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: First, I didn't attribute it to you. If you will read back to my previous post, I cleary showed that it was Omega who stated that.

Second, I really don't care if you find the proof that I have been shown to be useful or not. Get this right, as you have stated it yourself: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF POSSIBLE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. Therefore, having a debate on whether one can prove the existence of God or not is completely pointless. This thread, and every other "God doesn't exist, you can't prove it" thread like it is not debate, but constant back-and-forths about why people do or don't believe in God.

So let's talk about something else. Come on, it'll be fun. Maybe we can talk about how you use the word "proof" to describe your supposed personal revelations about God and/or religion. Sort of a misnomer, isn't it? What proof do you feel you have? Maybe you could describe it for us? What situations/occurences led you to conclude, despite an overwhelming lack of actual proof, that God exists?
My personal experiences are none of your concern. Quite frankly, I don't feel like sharing them with someone who is just going to turn around and say "that's not proof, just coincidence." So, I'll save you the time. I have no scientific proof for the existence of God, and no one ever can. But, I have been shown things that proved it to me. I used to be a staunch atheist, until things happened in my life that showed me that God must exist. Do I care if you believe me? Not in the slightest.

You can't make someone see what they don't want to see.

Especially if they have invested heavily into a way of life that would be ruined by this realization.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8086

cap'n queasy wrote: You can't make someone see what they don't want to see.

Especially if they have invested heavily into a way of life that would be ruined by this realization.

:lol:

Irony...

Sataere · Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Location: Ohio

UrielsFyre wrote: eXploiTeD wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: Omega1 wrote: We all know it's BS. People claim God cured them when they were receiving treatment. How come God doesn't cure AIDS, Hepatitis C, regrow amputated legs, Get rid of Guinea worm, etc.? It's because there is no God to get rid of those things.
You know this for a fact?

For a lack of facts, actually. There is no evidence to suggest that God exists - and there never has been.

If you want to believe in unicorns, that's your choice. And there is no evidence to suggest that God doesn't exist.

True, but there is evidence for ways that the Earth was created that are antithetical to religious belief. There is no evidence 'against' God, but there is evidence for theories that operate without God.

Omega1 · Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 456

dtwizzy2k5 wrote:
Alright, here is proof God exists:
Jesus said he did. Jesus is a credible source because he performed many miracles and was resurrected.

If you disagree please explain i want to hear your reasoning.

That's not proof. It's only written in a book. Where are the miracles?

1 Kings
18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

Why doesn't he do this today? How come you didn't answer my question at the beginning of this thread?

wormwood · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 2670 Location: The P-Brane

Quote: True, but there is evidence for ways that the Earth was created that are antithetical to religious belief. There is no evidence 'against' God, but there is evidence for theories that operate without God. Such as? And what about big bang is antithetical to creation? The time frame :lol: ? Anything else?

Sataere · Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Location: Ohio

wormwood wrote: Quote: True, but there is evidence for ways that the Earth was created that are antithetical to religious belief. There is no evidence 'against' God, but there is evidence for theories that operate without God. Such as? And what about big bang is antithetical to creation? The time frame :lol: ? Anything else?

I never said it was antithetical to creation. I said it was 'antithetical to religious belief'. I am refering to, generally, Fundamentalist logic. The current expansion of our universe is evidence for the big bang, and in many minds that is mutually exclusive with the way they believe that God created the universe.

dtwizzy2k5 · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 467

Omega1 wrote: Dtwizzy2k5 wrote: Alright, here is proof God exists:
Jesus said he did. Jesus is a credible source because he performed many miracles and was resurrected.

If you disagree please explain i want to hear your reasoning.

That's not proof. It's only written in a book. Where are the miracles?

1 Kings
18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

Why doesn't he do this today? How come you didn't answer my question at the beginning of this thread?

You ask why doesn't God just heal all the world's ills with the wave of a hand and answer everybody's prayers to put an end to all evil. Obviously God can do this if he wanted to, but why would he? Think about it: If there was no bad in life, then how can we appreciate the good? If you haven't seen evil, how can you recognize good? Your problem is that you are caught up too much in this life on Earth which is only very temporary my friend. Grit your teeth and fight through pain in this life with full faith in God and God WILL answer your prayers in the end by allowing you into heaven, which has no evil and IS perfect. But, you must experience bad on Earth in this life first before you can appreciate the greatness that is Heaven in the next, eternal life.

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