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ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

I am shocked and I am sad at how prejudiced people are to the point that they execute a young boy in such a manner just because he is gay. :cry: I hope he rests in peace and at least wherever he is right now, he won't have to face the torture of being gay in an intolerant society.

By the way, this has been done based on a fatwa by the supposedly "moderate" Grand Ayatollah Sistani who has "called for the execution of gays in the worst, most severe way". I guess "moderate" means something else in the Middle East. :roll: This is one of the reasons I despise religion.

Quote: Iraqi police 'killed 14-year-old boy for being homosexual'
By Jerome Taylor
Published: 05 May 2006

Human rights groups have condemned the "barbaric" murder of a 14-year-old boy, who, according to witnesses, was shot on his doorstep by Iraqi police for the apparent crime of being gay.

Ahmed Khalil was shot at point-blank range after being accosted by men in police uniforms, according to his neighbours in the al-Dura area of Baghdad.

Campaign groups have warned of a surge in homophobic killings by state security services and religious militias following an anti-gay and anti-lesbian fatwa issued by Iraq's most prominent Shia leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Ali Hili, the co-ordinator of a group of exiled Iraqi gay men who monitor homophobic attacks inside Iraq, said the fatwa had instigated a "witch-hunt of lesbian and gay Iraqis, including violent beatings, kidnappings and assassinations".

"Young Ahmed was a victim of poverty," he said. "He was summarily executed, apparently by fundamentalist elements in the Iraqi police."

Neighbours in al-Dura district say Ahmed's father was arrested and interrogated two days before his son's murder by police who demanded to know about Ahmed's sexual activities. It is believed Ahmed slept with men for money to support his poverty-stricken family, who have fled the area fearing further reprisals.

The killing of Ahmed is one of a series of alleged homophobic murders. There is mounting evidence that fundamentalists have infiltrated government security forces to commit homophobic murders while wearing police uniforms.

Human rights groups are particularly concerned that the Sadr and Badr militias, both Shia, have stepped up their attacks on the gay community after a string of religious rulings, since the US-led invasion, calling for the eradication of homosexuals.

Grand Ayatollah Sistani recently issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way".

The powerful Badr militia acts as the military wing of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), which counts Ayatollah Sistani as its spiritual leader. Another fatwa from the late and much revered Ayatollah Abul Qassim Khoei allows followers to kill gays "with a sword, or burn him alive, or tie his hands and feet and hurl him down from a high place".

Mr Hili said: "According to our contacts in Baghdad, the Iraqi police have been heavily infiltrated by the Shia paramilitary Badr Corps."

Mr Hili, whose Abu Nawas group has close links with clandestine gay activists inside Iraq, said US coalition forces are unwilling to try and tackle the rising tide of homophobic attacks. "They just don't want to upset the Iraqi government by bringing up the taboo of homosexuality even though homophobic murders have intensified," he said.

A number of public homophobic murders by the Badr militia have terrified Iraq's gay community. Last September, Hayder Faiek, a transsexual, was burnt to death by Badr militias in the main street of Baghdad's al-Karada district. In January, suspected militants shot another gay man in the back of the head.

The US State Department has yet to document the surge in its annual human rights reports. Iraq's neighbours, however, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, are often criticised for their persecution of gays.

Darla Jordan, from the US State Department said: "The US government continues to work closely with our Iraqi partners to ensure the protection of human rights and the safety of all Iraqi citizens."

Human rights groups have condemned the "barbaric" murder of a 14-year-old boy, who, according to witnesses, was shot on his doorstep by Iraqi police for the apparent crime of being gay.

Ahmed Khalil was shot at point-blank range after being accosted by men in police uniforms, according to his neighbours in the al-Dura area of Baghdad.

Campaign groups have warned of a surge in homophobic killings by state security services and religious militias following an anti-gay and anti-lesbian fatwa issued by Iraq's most prominent Shia leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Ali Hili, the co-ordinator of a group of exiled Iraqi gay men who monitor homophobic attacks inside Iraq, said the fatwa had instigated a "witch-hunt of lesbian and gay Iraqis, including violent beatings, kidnappings and assassinations".

"Young Ahmed was a victim of poverty," he said. "He was summarily executed, apparently by fundamentalist elements in the Iraqi police."

Neighbours in al-Dura district say Ahmed's father was arrested and interrogated two days before his son's murder by police who demanded to know about Ahmed's sexual activities. It is believed Ahmed slept with men for money to support his poverty-stricken family, who have fled the area fearing further reprisals.

The killing of Ahmed is one of a series of alleged homophobic murders. There is mounting evidence that fundamentalists have infiltrated government security forces to commit homophobic murders while wearing police uniforms.

Human rights groups are particularly concerned that the Sadr and Badr militias, both Shia, have stepped up their attacks on the gay community after a string of religious rulings, since the US-led invasion, calling for the eradication of homosexuals.

Grand Ayatollah Sistani recently issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article362151.ece

Seapearl · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject:

:shock: :shock: That's dreadful!!! 14 YEARS OLD and they killed him because he was gay? How could they know that....I mean he was still a child :arhhg: :wtf:
And what about other people who may be gay? How can they be protected? How can order be maintained in Iraq when incidents like that occur?

I don't understand how can someone kill another human being and get away with it feeling happy and proud of what he did or even having followed orders....Are they so blinded by hatred? I don't know, I'm shocked.

98MustGT · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 380 Location: Occupied San Diego

JUST REMEMBER ITS A RELIGION OF PEACE

Seapearl · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject:

98MustGT wrote: JUST REMEMBER ITS A RELIGION OF PEACE

Can religion "destroy" people to that extent, bringing down their very human nature? I don't think that this is just due to religious beliefs............

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Seapearl wrote: 14 YEARS OLD and they killed him because he was gay?

Yes, they killed him because he was gay.

Seapearl wrote: How could they know that....I mean he was still a child :arhhg: :wtf:

His father was arrested and when he was in police custody, he confessed that his son was gay.

Seapearl wrote: And what about other people who may be gay? How can they be protected? How can order be maintained in Iraq when incidents like that occur?

Homosexuals are one of the most oppressed groups in the entire Middle East ... no one cares about them and they are regularly mistreated in various ways either by the governments in the region or by the ordinary people.

Seapearl wrote: I don't understand how can someone kill another human being and get away with it feeling happy and proud of what he did or even having followed orders....Are they so blinded by hatred? I don't know, I'm shocked.

They have been told from an early age that homosexuals are evil, etc, so they feel happy because they think they have performed their religious duty by ridding the society of these evil people! :roll:

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 465 Location: Vancouver BC

"Young Ahmed was a victim of poverty," he said. "He was summarily executed, apparently by fundamentalist elements in the Iraqi police."

fundamentalists.... people who misinterpret Islam. and give a set a bad example for 1billion follwers.

Seapearl · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject:

ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
His father was arrested and when he was in police custody, he confessed that his son was gay.

:shock: He turnt in his own son? Nice father..... :x

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Seapearl wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
His father was arrested and when he was in police custody, he confessed that his son was gay.

:shock: He turnt in his own son? Nice father..... :x

He most likely confessed when he was being slapped around a few times. :-|

pharaoh · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject:

That is indeed a sad story. Although Islam is anti homosexuality, just like Judaism and Christianity, we are living in some kind of dark ages that people tend to apply laws on children without any kind of consideration of their age or whether the punishment is even lawful.

People, dont get shocked if these things are happening, the arab world is living in a complete breakdown for atleast 3 hundred years. These things happen in poor and backward (in terms of poor education) societies.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2814

Funny thing is its not that shocking you sort of expect it.

mr_happy · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 319

say what you want about judaism and christianity, but I have yet to hear a major (controlling many parishes not just their own) Christian or Jewish leader call for the killing of homosexuals. Although that bastard Phelps hates gay people, he doesn't kill them. Executing gays is something entirely contained in the Islamic world. When it rarely does happen in the western world, we put the bastards that do it behind bars.

red dragon · Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 1696 Location: Cardiff

Strange thing is, homosexuality is rife in the Islamic ans Arab world. It's practiced by a great deal of Arabs, but it is something that is not admitted to.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

red dragon wrote: Strange thing is, homosexuality is rife in the Islamic ans Arab world. It's practiced by a great deal of Arabs, but it is something that is not admitted to.

Especially pederasty.

Quote: That is indeed a sad story. Although Islam is anti homosexuality, just like Judaism and Christianity, we are living in some kind of dark ages that people tend to apply laws on children without any kind of consideration of their age or whether the punishment is even lawful.

What would you have done to the boy if he were an adult, if anything?

nrhy · Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 697 Location: Spain

Quote: Strange thing is, homosexuality is rife in the Islamic ans Arab world. It's practiced by a great deal of Arabs, but it is something that is not admitted to.

woah, where you get that from?! :-| Is that a statement from blank knowledge?

homosexuality is condemed by christianity, islam and judaism...Now, because Islam´s extremism is quite high, anything that conflicts with religious laws, will be exterminated.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2814

Quote: homosexuality is condemed by christianity

Not Anglican christianity, you can have gay vicars and woman vicars

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

mr_happy wrote: say what you want about judaism and christianity, but I have yet to hear a major (controlling many parishes not just their own) Christian or Jewish leader call for the killing of homosexuals. Although that bastard Phelps hates gay people, he doesn't kill them. Executing gays is something entirely contained in the Islamic world. When it rarely does happen in the western world, we put the bastards that do it behind bars.

No, Christians and Jews will make homosexuals kill themselves by degrading to the lowest point possible. That's the difference: In Islam they kill you, in Christianity and Judaism, they make you kill yourself! :roll:

nrhy wrote: Quote: Strange thing is, homosexuality is rife in the Islamic ans Arab world. It's practiced by a great deal of Arabs, but it is something that is not admitted to.

woah, where you get that from?! :-| Is that a statement from blank knowledge?

homosexuality is condemed by christianity, islam and judaism...Now, because Islam´s extremism is quite high, anything that conflicts with religious laws, will be exterminated.

No, in Islamic countries, the homosexual affairs are prevalent in the private sphere though no one admits to them in public. And I am talking from experience and also studies done on Islamic societies.

wayne · Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 140 Location: PA.

Where did he learn that kind of behavior from ? His father perhaps?
Somewhere in his past, he was probably physically abused.
Homosexual sin is handed down generation to generation like a curse.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

wayne wrote: Where did he learn that kind of behavior from ? His father perhaps?
Somewhere in his past, he was probably physically abused.
Homosexual sin is handed down generation to generation like a curse.

Oh dear! :x

You don't "learn" homosexuality from anyone. :roll: How can anyone "learn" to love a member of the same sex?

Besides, do you have evidence that all homosexuals are abused? :roll:

nrhy · Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 697 Location: Spain

Quote: No, in Islamic countries, the homosexual affairs are prevalent in the private sphere though no one admits to them in public. And I am talking from experience and also studies done on Islamic societies.

ah, private spheres perhaps. But if nobody wants to admit it, how can you believe what is told in studies? They are just mere polls. It is a bigger issue in the west than in the east. Gays are either exiled or killed in the east.

eynon · Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:

red dragon wrote: Strange thing is, homosexuality is rife in the Islamic ans Arab world. It's practiced by a great deal of Arabs, but it is something that is not admitted to.

although not an Arab nation my friends who have served in Afganistan all spoke about how openly gay many in that country were. Also Amhad Rasheed talks about it in his book "Taliban".