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[Gilbert1908]

steen wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: How about the point that a single organism comes into existence, that can develop into a single or even multiple adult human if left in its natural habitat? A single organism? As in an individual? That doesn't happen until birth.

Why does Roe V. Wade only permit abortion until the end of the 2nd trimester?

Why is there NO medical source to support your claim?

If there is no living organism or individual, what are these doctors operating on?

Prenatal surgery: The surgical treatment of the fetus before birth. Also called antenatal surgery or, most often, fetal surgery.

Fetal surgery is done when the fetus is not expected to live long enough to make it through to delivery or to live long after birth unless fetal surgery is performed. For instance, if a fetus has a severe form of congenital diaphragmatic hernia, in which the liver is located in the chest and lung development is severely restricted, fetal surgery is done to lessen the severity of the problem and permit the baby to live to birth to undergo further corrective surgery.
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=17728

[steen]

Gilbert1908 wrote: steen wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: How about the point that a single organism comes into existence, that can develop into a single or even multiple adult human if left in its natural habitat? A single organism? As in an individual? That doesn't happen until birth. Why does Roe V. Wade only permit abortion until the end of the 2nd trimester? because they got it wrong. There should have been no legal second-guessing of medical decisions. All abortion laws should be declared void, leaving the decision outside of politics.

Quote: Why is there NO medical source to support your claim? Huh? Oh, you mean my challenge of your falsehood?

Quote: If there is no living organism or individual, what are these doctors operating on? Tissue. Are you saying that an appendix is an organism? When it is operated on, does that mean that it is a person? Or was that just a stupid reasoning on your behalf?

[Gilbert1908]

steen wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: steen wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: How about the point that a single organism comes into existence, that can develop into a single or even multiple adult human if left in its natural habitat? A single organism? As in an individual? That doesn't happen until birth. Why does Roe V. Wade only permit abortion until the end of the 2nd trimester? because they got it wrong. There should have been no legal second-guessing of medical decisions. All abortion laws should be declared void, leaving the decision outside of politics.

It isn't because they said the following;

"With respect to the State's important and legitimate interest in potential life, the "compelling" point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. [/quote]

We do agree on one thing the Court did get wrong making this decision, but Blackmun did not even think it was necessary to determine when human life began (also stated clearly in Roe) so they settled on viability (now medically determined at about 22 weeks).

steen wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: Why is there NO medical source to support your claim? Huh? Oh, you mean my challenge of your falsehood?
As I keep repeating you have NO medical source that supports your position that the human life is created at birth.

steen wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: If there is no living organism or individual, what are these doctors operating on? Tissue. Are you saying that an appendix is an organism? When it is operated on, does that mean that it is a person? Or was that just a stupid reasoning on your behalf?

Did you read the definition, here let me pull out the significant portions so even you can get the drift "permit the baby to live to birth to undergo further corrective surgery." This is not my stupid reasoning this is the stupid reasoning of the "Nationally recognized Doctor produced by a network of over 70 US board certified physicians, Medicine.Net is the trusted source for online health and medical information".

Ok lets review steen is smarter than the Supreme Court and says that Medicine.Net is nothing but "stupid reasoning".

So your argument is that the Supreme Court is wrong and the Medical.Net applys stupid reasoning. In other words you don't agree, you have NO factual information to refute the independant sources I have used to make my points but simply by the power of your superior brain, kind of like the scarecrow in Oz, you have thunk it to be so.

Impressive as always.

[Plodder]

thank God he is gone, im relived and have more fun talking to JUST DUCKY esp since she is a woman!

[Politics Mstr]

We don't realy need 10,000 horses in our society. I think any parent would agree that a child is priceless.

[Plodder]

well not the 5 that said that those horses were more valuable.

[Enoch]

The problem is that this poll attempts to equate two incomparable things. The natural propensity, across the animal kingdom, is to protect one's own species over the members of another species.

[Gilbert1908]

UrielsFyre wrote: The problem is that this poll attempts to equate two incomparable things. The natural propensity, across the animal kingdom, is to protect one's own species over the members of another species.

I agree these types of comparisons are meaningless.

The real question returns over and over again to determining the VALUE of life at each point in its development vs. society's propensity to diminish the value of life at the fringes. Whether it is early life, late life or those lives which many in society would perfer not to see or be burdened with. Any life which causes personal discomfort to others or requires an uplanned effort is rationalized to be the responsibility of others.

Thank God there are those others who accept, treat and care for and about those fringe lives that society is so quick to push aside.

[Plodder]

I was just trying to see if there were people out there who sinceroly belived the life on an animal to be worth more that a human life.

[FuturePresident]

The one baby because that one child may grow up to cure cancer, answer all our questions, end world hunger, or create peace in the middle east. One of the great things about children is that you can never predict what they will do.

[Ek0nomik]

10,000 horses.

[Plodder]

why, people, please say why!!!!

[Ch33kY]

FuturePresident wrote: The one baby because that one child may grow up to cure cancer, answer all our questions, end world hunger, or create peace in the middle east. One of the great things about children is that you can never predict what they will do.

In that case they won't be raised a Republican.

[Plodder]

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In that case they won't be raised a Republican. that mean and unfounded.