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AllAmericanMan · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 3606

Quote: So you admit that you lied. Well, that's better, I suppose. Troll.

Nicholas · Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 321 Location: Rural backwater

Steen, your accusations by using the following phrase ''lies'' is nothing but excessive irrelevant rhetoric, which therefore as whole, tiresome and ineffective in debates. How about, you cease such accusations and reply more maturely, like LostSoul3412 has, with more use of facts than assumptions that varies in agreements or disagreements, like adults.

When you reply, cease unimportant accusations, or name-calling and construct better replies in future.

AllAmericanMan · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 3606

Quote: Steen, your accusations by using the following phrase ''lies'' is nothing but excessive irrelevant rhetoric, which therefore as whole, tiresome and ineffective in debates. How about, you cease such accusations and reply more maturely, like LostSoul3412 has, with more use of facts than assumptions that varies in agreements or disagreements, like adults.

When you reply, cease unimportant accusations, or name-calling and construct better replies in future.

:woo:

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

What God does in the Bible and what we do here on earth are two different things.........If youre Christian, preforming abortion, having abortion, advocating for abortion, isnt whats ultimately going to send you to Hell....Trying to stop abortion or being a good person, obeying the law, etc., isnt whats ultimately going to get you everlasting life in Gods Kingdom......You cant get to God without Jesus....

If you could sum up the Bible, and Jesus in one word, it would be Love. And abortion has very little to do with unconditional, unfailing Love. Agape. You do not keep someone from having the chance at life, if you love them....even if you "think" thats whats best for them, you leave it in Gods hands...You dont kill.....Having an abortion is not a Christian thing to do, or a Godly thing to do. We are not equals with God, and have no right to do anything that he did to anyone....Even Jesus said he was not his father, but his Father was in him......We cannot even be close to god, without Jesus..... Jesus is the only hope ANY of us ever have of Heaven. "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that who so ever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.....It dosent say "who so ever obey the law" or "who so ever does not kill or steal"....but "who so ever believes in him"....Thats the only way to salvation....Jesus was sent, by God, to die for the sins of man, so that we might have everlasting life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Why was he sent? " For God so loved the world." Love.

Like I said, abortion and love are on opposite ends of the spectrum....If it makes you feel better about yourself to say "Well God did this to these children and fetus' in the bible, so its ok for me to do it too," then thats you....But nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are equals with God, and are justified in doing things that he did.....But it does say that we are to Love, and love unfailing and unconditionally, everyone, as Jesus did.....Keeping someone from having life and the chance at life, is not Love. Not the way the Bible talks about Love. God was, is, and always will be the ultimate judge. We are not on that same level, and we cant even be close to that level without Jesus.....If you cant see how Jesus is THE definition of Unconditional, unfailing Love, then you should read the Bible a bit more......and I cant wait to hear what Steen has to say about this :P

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

hw will call the whole thing a lie
or a hydraform mole, or a kidney,or another pro life lie.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Nicholas wrote: Steen, your accusations by using the following phrase ''lies'' is nothing but excessive irrelevant rhetoric, which therefore as whole, tiresome and ineffective in debates. I am perfectly happy to engage in honest debate. But when I am being lied to, there is no longer room for debate. When you stinking liars can't treat us with the respect of not lying to us, there is no debate possible. it is the pro-life lies that shuts down meaningful debate. If you are unhappy with what is happening,. I suggest you work on stopping the nedless and escalating pro-life stinking lies. I'll be damned if I accept being lied to.

Quote: How about, you cease such accusations and reply more maturely, The moment pro-lifers cease the lies and start replying more maturely without the incessant lies. I tolerate disagreement just fine. But lies and deceptions are an absolute shutdown of meaningful interaction. If pro-life are so dishonestly slimy that they can't rgue honestly on the facts, then there is no debate.

As long as pro-life lies to me, there is no debate, there is only the pointing out how much you guys always lie. is that clear enough for you?

Quote: When you reply, cease unimportant accusations, or name-calling and construct better replies in future. Ah, you mean when pro=life stops their never-ending lies and deceptions? If you lie to me, you WILL hear for it. That's how it is. If pro-lifers don't like that, then stop the stinking scumbag lies.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

surprise my prediction comes true.
can you say... troll?

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

steen wrote: Nicholas wrote: Steen, your accusations by using the following phrase ''lies'' is nothing but excessive irrelevant rhetoric, which therefore as whole, tiresome and ineffective in debates. I am perfectly happy to engage in honest debate. But when I am being lied to, there is no longer room for debate. When you stinking liars can't treat us with the respect of not lying to us, there is no debate possible. it is the pro-life lies that shuts down meaningful debate. If you are unhappy with what is happening,. I suggest you work on stopping the nedless and escalating pro-life stinking lies. I'll be damned if I accept being lied to.

Quote: How about, you cease such accusations and reply more maturely, The moment pro-lifers cease the lies and start replying more maturely without the incessant lies. I tolerate disagreement just fine. But lies and deceptions are an absolute shutdown of meaningful interaction. If pro-life are so dishonestly slimy that they can't rgue honestly on the facts, then there is no debate.

As long as pro-life lies to me, there is no debate, there is only the pointing out how much you guys always lie. is that clear enough for you?

Quote: When you reply, cease unimportant accusations, or name-calling and construct better replies in future. Ah, you mean when pro=life stops their never-ending lies and deceptions? If you lie to me, you WILL hear for it. That's how it is. If pro-lifers don't like that, then stop the stinking scumbag lies.

Lie....is THE definition of what you do on this board.

lie2 n.

A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Claiming you know someones intentions by accusing them of having a purpose to enslave and oppress women....You are Lying.

You deliberately present these accusations as being true.....You Lie Steen.

You intentionally try to decieve, and by making these accusations all over this board, you give the wrong impression....You Lie Steen.

In your posts, you call people mysoginists, claim you know what their intentions are, you twist and spin peoples words to mean things they were never meat to.

Lie....is THE definition of what you do on this board.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

:owned:

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: lie2 n.

A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. RIGHT THERE!!!!! Shows pro-life revisionist linguistics to be outright lying.

krnmatt · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 15

I know that abortion is a hard choice to make
however what makes it the most difficult is
when does life in a womb begin??
does it start when the sperm reaches the egg or when the baby comes out from the mother's womb?
you'll never know when life actually begins
i believe that abortion is better left untouched

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8946

krnmatt wrote: I know that abortion is a hard choice to make
however what makes it the most difficult is
when does life in a womb begin??
does it start when the sperm reaches the egg or when the baby comes out from the mother's womb?
you'll never know when life actually begins
i believe that abortion is better left untouched

:tu:

A point that I, too, have brought up in the past. The unkown should not be infringed upon.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: The unkown should not be infringed upon. exactly so we should not risk murder of millios.

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

steen wrote: WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: lie2 n.

A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. RIGHT THERE!!!!! Shows pro-life revisionist linguistics to be outright lying.

The point was, that by making accusations such as you do about other people and their intentions....You are lying, just the same as you claim others are lying to you....You dont like it, obviously, so what makes you think anyone else does?....You are merely the Pot calling the Kettle black....

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: steen wrote: WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: lie2 n.

A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. RIGHT THERE!!!!! Shows pro-life revisionist linguistics to be outright lying.

The point was, that by making accusations such as you do about other people and their intentions....You are lying, just the same as you claim others are lying to you....You dont like it, obviously, so what makes you think anyone else does?....You are merely the Pot calling the Kettle black.... If you are bothered by me calling pro-lifers on their lies, perhaps you should encourage them to not lie.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8946

Plodder wrote: Quote: The unkown should not be infringed upon. exactly so we should not risk murder of millios.

Proof that it is murder?

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

steen wrote: WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: steen wrote: WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: lie2 n.

A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. RIGHT THERE!!!!! Shows pro-life revisionist linguistics to be outright lying.

The point was, that by making accusations such as you do about other people and their intentions....You are lying, just the same as you claim others are lying to you....You dont like it, obviously, so what makes you think anyone else does?....You are merely the Pot calling the Kettle black.... If you are bothered by me calling pro-lifers on their lies, perhaps you should encourage them to not lie.

I would encourage anyone to refrain from lying. I encourage you also, to refrain from lying. Point was, what you accuse others of doing, you do just as much as anyone.....From your response and from a statement in another thread, I get that you dont like the accusation....Why would someone cease lying to you, as you say, when thats exactly what you do by your statements about oppression and enslavement.

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5268 Location: Boston, MA

krnmatt wrote: I know that abortion is a hard choice to make
however what makes it the most difficult is
when does life in a womb begin??
does it start when the sperm reaches the egg or when the baby comes out from the mother's womb?
you'll never know when life actually begins
i believe that abortion is better left untouched

The folks who study the subject, that is embryologists, are quite clear that human life begins at conception.

Scientifically there is simply no question about this.

The question you pose is not when life begins but when does a human life have enough value to be protected. The issue you raise is the very heart of the issue of abortion; when does human life have value AND how is that value determined?

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: Proof that it is murder? muder is the killing of innocent human life. as I have shown even lawful killing can be murder. and WWII scholar can tell you that. an embryo is human life since there is nothing potential about it except that it will become an adult in the future. The embry is innocent since it has never commited a crime, and when it ceaes to function because of some procedure it is dead. An embryo having been killed after having done no crimes is murder even if the laws says otheriwise. Law is not always right and that is what this forum is about. Quote: The question you pose is not when life begins but when does a human life have enough value to be protected. The issue you raise is the very heart of the issue of abortion; when does human life have value AND how is that value determined? you only get life once and to steal it away is murder. it should alwats be protected.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

WsTxRedRaider06 wrote: steen wrote: If you are bothered by me calling pro-lifers on their lies, perhaps you should encourage them to not lie. I would encourage anyone to refrain from lying. I encourage you also, to refrain from lying. Point was, what you accuse others of doing, you do just as much as anyone..... Could you please provide proof for that false accusation, thanks?

Quote: From your response and from a statement in another thread, I get that you dont like the accusation.... Well, if I lied, then by all means call me on it. But I don't really go by your "just because I say so" postulation. Documentation and proof please.

Quote: Why would someone cease lying to you, as you say, when thats exactly what you do by your statements about oppression and enslavement. How so? When you take over control of the woman's body, taking that right away from her, you are enslaving and oppressing her. How is that a lie?

Now, care to deal with the pro-life lies, or do you deliberately ignore those, making you a hypocrite?