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I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board?

[Deus]

This is going to be interesting.

[Shady]

7 wrote: I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board?

Not that I'm aware of, though there are definately some anti-semites on this forum.

[Red Flag]

7 wrote: I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board? Actually ignorance is fairly unheard of on these boards. :wink:

[Jehan]

Red Flag wrote: 7 wrote: I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board? Actually ignorance is fairly unheard of on these boards. :wink:

Really? That's news to me. I thought I was staring it in the face.

[Matt C.]

7 wrote: I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board?


Well, if I take a look at my political and social and economical views, I am a nationalist.

I want to do everything I can for MY country and IT'S citizens.

I don't give a damn about the well being of others, because that is their problem.

In terms of economics, I am socialistic.

I like to let people open their own businesses, and allow new products and for the most part I allow people to choose, but I favor strict control over huge companies and I really believe workers should be paid more and corporations should have less profit, and they should use their money to pay more to the thousands who run their company, and the people who do the dirty work.

That being said, I would say FROM AN IDEAOLOGICAL standpoint, I am.

But the Nazis, were just retarded.

Hitler invaded Poland, and Europe because of a belief that jews ran everything.
If you completely turn a blind eye to the Jew thing, and stop at 1938, he was a great leader economically and militarily in building the country's power.

But the point is, he screwed up because he was crazy at times.

The American Nationalist Socialist Party has a lot of great points, but others that are just insane too.

Here is there 25 demand list.

The ones in Red I don't agree with. The ones in Blue I do.

Black are either way, I don't care.

Anything with an [s] before it and [/s] after it is most likely race stuff I don't agree with, or in general, stuff I do not agree with.


25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM
-We demand the union of all [S]Whites[/S]Americans into a greater America on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

-We demand equality of rights for the American people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Bank, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund.

-We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle surplus population.

-Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. [s]Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation.[/s] Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. [S]Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation. [/S]

-The right to vote on the State government and legislation shall be enjoyed by citizens of the state alone.
We therefore demand that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the nation, in the states or in smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations and special interests-without reference to character or abilities.

-We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) will be deported.

-All non-White immigration must be prevented. We demand that all [S]non-Whites[/S] currently residing in America be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin: peacefully or by force.

-All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station.

-It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good.
We therefore demand:

-The abolition of incomes unearned by work The breaking of interest slavery.

-In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

-We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

-We demand economic reform suitable to our national requirements;
The prohibition of pro-marxist unions and their supplantation with National Socialist trade unions;
The passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises;
The creation of a livable wage;
The restructuring of social security and welfare to include drug testing for welfare recipients;
The immediate discontinuation of all taxes on things of life's necessity, such as food, clothing, shelter, medicine etc.:
The replacement of the current tax system with a flat-rate tax based on income.

-We demand the treasonable system of health care be completely revolutionized.


-We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible.

-We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small trades in the placing of state and municipal orders.

-We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, that shall be twofold in nature:
The primary land reform will be to ensure all members of the nation receive affordable housing. The party as such stands explicitly for private property.
However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare.
We further demand the abolition of ground rent, the discontinuation of all taxes on property, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved;
By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges;
By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation;
By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere;
And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources.

-We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, [S]race traitors,[/S] etc. must be severely punished, whatever their creed or race.

-We demand that Roman edict law, which serves a materialistic new world order, be replaced by Anglo-Saxon common law.

-The state must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education with the aim of opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement.
The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life.
The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the state of the nation through the study of civic affairs.
We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the state.

-The state must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn:
By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation
By prohibiting child labor and ending the rudiments of child abuse, alcoholism, and drug addiction.
By creating conditions to make possible the reestablishment of the nuclear family in which the father works while the mother stays at home and takes care of the children if they so choose. By taking away the economic burden associated with childbirth and replacing it with a structured system of pay raises for those that give birth to healthy babies, thereby returning the blessing associated with children.
To further ensure that the nation's health standards are raised, legislation shall be passed promoting physical strength and providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
-We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens.

-We demand the abolition of the mercenary army, the end to the over-use of our military as a 'Meals-on-Wheels' program in foreign lands of no vital interest to our nation; and the formation of a true national service for the defense of our [S]race and[/S] nation. One that excludes: non-Americans, criminals, and sensitivity training.

-We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a national press we demand:
(a) That all editors of and contributors to newspapers appearing in the English language must be members of the nation;
(b) That no non-American newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be written in the English language;
(c) That non-Whites shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing American newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspapers, and the immediate deportation of the non-Americans involved.
The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand. -Although, some of this sounds a bit too controlling

-We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend the moral feelings of the White race. The Party combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common good before self-interest. - I am for religious freedom, as long as a religion isn't corrupting people like with propaganda, lies, etc.

-To put the whole program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation; the unconditional authority of the political central parliament over the entire nation and its organizations; and the formation of committees for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the nation and the various American States.

But no, I would never consider myself a swastika waving nazi or anything close. I just believe that too much is being pushed on the white race in America right now.

Take the 'white' race stuff out of most of it and it is ok.
There are a lot of great people in other races, and the rest need to be dealt with just the same as white who are ****.


A lot of that is common sense to me, and is great.

They just have too much Jewish and race s**t involved. And the abortion/gay marriage/religion things bother me too.

But obviously, I am not close to Nazi by any standards.

[SaintLucifer]

7 wrote: I was wondering if there are any National Socialists on this board?

Do you even know what a National Socialist is?? Just be reminded a FASCIST is asking you this question.

[Matt C.]

What pisses me off is when people automatically lump the two together.

Just because Hitler lied with his 'national socialism' party, or at least he modified it, people use the two together.

[cap'n queasy]

Do you think this is a decent manifesto for a national socialist state?

Quote:

1 We demand the union of all citizens in a Great Nation on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2 We demand that the citizen have rights equal to those of other nations.

3 We demand land and territory for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4 Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens.

5 Those who are not citizens must live in our nation as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6 The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favour of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Nation.

8 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

9 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

10 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

11 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

12 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

13 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

14 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

15 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

16 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

19 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

20 We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by Nationalist common law.

21 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious citizen to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

22 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

23 We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national army.

24 We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press.

[Matt C.]

If youre asking me...............? No

Because I only read up to the third one and I don't agree with it.

We keep our own lands and thats it.


Like I said, the red stuff and [S][/S] stuff is no good.

Black stuff either I don't care or I am not sure.......like the roman edict law thing........

[Comrade Dave]

The thing was neither Hitler nor the Nazi's were actually socialists. It was a term used simply to gain support from the disgruntled work force in Germany that spawned as a result of the antebellum depression. Really, Hitler and the Nazi's were strong capitalists. They allowed businesses to stay open, so long as they met their elitist standards. There wasn't really much public ownership in Nazi Germany ever. National socialism is a red herring.

[cap'n queasy]

They were socialists and Nazism is a form of racially defined collective.

[Comrade Dave]

Sorry but you can't really allow businesses to still operate as a free-market (even if you choose what businesses to allow) and call it socialism. The two are contradictory. National socialists were never socialists, and actually hated Marx for being Jewish. Again, their name was used as a propaganda technique to bring in worker support.

[cap'n queasy]

The Nazis seized the means of production and used to further the collective's goals.

The same thing every socialist group wishes to do.

[Comrade Dave]

That's not entirely accurate. Businesses were still allowed open in Nazi Germany. Like I said, some businesses were seized (from the Jews and others persecuted) but a relative capitalist society still remained intact.

[cap'n queasy]

Comrade Dave wrote: That's not entirely accurate. Businesses were still allowed open in Nazi Germany. Like I said, some businesses were seized (from the Jews and others persecuted) but a relative capitalist society still remained intact.

Quote: 10 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

Not capitalist.
Quote: 12 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
Not capitalist.

Quote: 16 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
Not capitalist.

Quote: 19 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
Not capitalist.

Obviously capitalism was not allowed in Nazi Germany.

[Comrade Dave]

Perhaps I was mistaken and the Nazi's were National Socialists ideologically. The problem was most of those points from their manifesto were not observed. For instance:

Quote: 7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Nation.

DEFINITELY not socialist. Where's the internationalism?

Quote: 8 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

Please...

Quote: 10 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

As I said, individual businesses still remained open in Nazi Germany and her territories. There was no centralization attempted.

Quote: 15 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

Not Socialist.

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What's more, as I stated before Hitler often used the fact that Marx was Jewish to discount any Communist/Socialist sympathizers in the nation.

Perhaps there are a few points in their ideology that were pro-worker but ultimately Hitler wanted everyone, workers included, submitting to the will of the state. He also silenced any voice that spoke out against it (labor unions and trade unionists were greatly persecuted as 'Communists'). Hitler's Nazi Germany was a fascist state, hands down.

[zero18]

Comrade Dave wrote: Really, Hitler and the Nazi's were strong capitalists.

Blatantly untrue. Although most industries remained "privately owned" under Nazi Germany, the state was the ultimate authority in the economy and frequently decided what could and could not be produced and who produced it.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Rascism is a bannable offence so they tend not to last long.

[Comrade Dave]

It's rather discriminatory to say that all National Socialists are racist.