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[Robodoon]

Quote: [quote="johnson"] Robodoon wrote: Are we a REPUBLIC (NATION OF LAWS) or are we a Democracy (MOB RULE)

Democracies do not offer freedom and never stand for long.

Has the Definition of Democracy been changed over the years?

- Democracy
Quote: A goverment of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of 'direct' expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is communistic - negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate,... without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
Army Training Manual Concerning Citizenship 1928

And the Words of old wisdom [FEDERALIST PAPERS]

Quote: From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.


http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/federalist/


Communists like Democracy, notice the May 1 rallies are on a Communist Date.

Quote: "Those who hope that we shall move away from the socialist path will be greatly disappointed. Every part of our program of perestroika...is fully based on the principle of more socialism and more democracy."
Mikhail Gorbachev Perestroika - New Thinking for Our Country and the World 1988

Quote: More socialism means more democracy, openness and collectivism in everyday life..."
Mikhail Gorbachev Perestroika - New Thinking for Our Country and the World 1988


What sort of Nation will we show ourselves to be? a Free nation or Slave State ?

Well you are definately not a nation that adheres to laws, so I guess that makes you a democratic communism mob ruled gulag?

Well its the Leadership that refuses to follow the law. Because they are rulled by the AAE, the laws only apply to the Citizens in this land. So yeah in a way we have become a communistic mob ruled open air gulag.



Quote: How can a country that invades so many other countries evict 12 million people who have peacefully integrated into their society? Who told you they are peaceful? I picked up a girl of the side of the road that was rapped and robbed by an illegal, I don't think thats pieceful, many of the illegals are the USEFUL IDIOTS of the FORD FOUNDATION an AAE offshoot. So the illegals are being used against us and themselves.
If we just inforced the laws, they would go home, but leadership under the AAE won't do that, because they want there NEW WORLD ORDER and to destroy freedom of everyone.


Quote: The only solution is for the mexicans to start killing the minute men and their racist families. The USA - The country that hates itself!!?!?! The country of citizens so afraid of each other they arm themselves to the teech. The country that can't protect its own drowning citizens??

Its because we have lost our nation....we are ruled by the Elites, its their country, we have no voice anymore.



Quote: You guys are such losers it makes us canadians smug in our identity thank you very much. We'll take your mexicans and leave you fat assed American yahoos alone to masturbate to pictures of uncrossed borders

LOL, your in the same boat ;) and you don't even understand it....very sad.

[War Approving Democrat]

This reform should be done prevent more illegals from entering the country because they need to follow the laws. And for all illegals currently here can NEVER get citizenship until they enter legally.

[Askim]

Swandazi wrote: "Well you are definately not a nation that adheres to laws, so I guess that makes you a democratic communism mob ruled gulag?

How can a country that invades so many other countries evict 12 million people who have peacefully integrated into their society?

The only solution is for the mexicans to start killing the minute men and their racist families. The USA - The country that hates itself!!?!?! The country of citizens so afraid of each other they arm themselves to the teech. The country that can't protect its own drowning citizens??

You guys are such losers it makes us canadians smug in our identity thank you very much. We'll take your mexicans and leave you fat assed American yahoos alone to masturbate to pictures of uncrossed borders


Whats wrong with are awesome arsenal of familly owned guns? How do we hate oursellves? the immigrants coming here are ILLEGAL wont dont you people understand about the word ILLEGAL immigrant, most of us were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, take them all, watch all your tax dollars disapear.

And how are minute men racist? minute men protect the canadian border also???

Please ladies and gentlemen do not confuse so called "Canadians" with this clown.We "Canadians" are nothing more than, subjects of the "Queen" , who, when given the chance, refused their freedom.
As for "Illegals" in the USA. They should all be rounded-up,and shipped out.Hence the word "ILLEGAL" I speculate, that refusing them work would drive them home. As for them coming to "Canada". If they are illegals,not a shot. If you are legal and go through the proper means and pay taxes, then, welcome my friend. As for Americans invading countries. I agree, but it is the people calling the shots that are resposible, Americans need to hold them responsible!!!
Americans, should be proud of their personal arsenals! It is what defines their freedom and their ability to protect it. The first actions of tyranical goverments is to strip the peoples means of self defense ( ie; personl weapons) And I dont belive minute men are racist! They are protecting what is said to be their's. The american constitution represents the last shred of freedom on this earth! People need to recognize and embrace its ideals!! I am "Canadian" I live in Windsor ,Ontario Canada right across the river from Detroit Michigan and spent 7 years of my life in Alberta. Hear me now!!!! Long live the United States of America and for the true freedom for wich it stands!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE!!!!!

[SilveryMinnow]

New Mexico Burrito Recipe:

Take one tortilla,

Pile in Cooked Ground Beef, Onions, and Beans.

Roll up in Tortilla

Cover in Red or Green Chile sauce, Cheese, Onions, lettuce and chopped tomato.

Serve with Spanish Rice for side dish.

Feeds one.

Old Mexico illegal Alien Burrito Recipe:

Hire an illegal to do all of above, have them work just long enough to recieve American Welfare benefits.

You wind up having to pay to feed 10 million.

[michinobu_zoned]

[quote="Swandazi"]"[b]Well you are definately not a nation that adheres to laws, so I guess that makes you a democratic communism mob ruled gulag?
quote]
I like how you use some phrase like that, to describe those you don't agree with.

A gulag taht doesn't adhere to laws and communism that's ruled by a mob????

You might as well say "Pretty girl with a penis." That's how I look at it. But, maybe you're like, "Hey, but that phrase makes sense! I don't get what youre getting at."

[RICARDO I]

The U.S. is a nation of immigrants. They have come from the farthest of lands and made America their home. America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. I feel pity for many migrants who suffer great poverty in their homeland and wish them well. But, with terrorist eyes on America it will be very difficult for America to continue with its present immigration policies. These policies will have to be revised in order for Americans to be truly safe. America cannot and should not take the immigrant issue in stride. If this issue is not resolved soon, it will weaken America to its roots. Anarchism will take over if nothing is done to address this most urgent issue, soon. On the borders with America, not only Mexican immigrants will go through, the good and the bad ones, but from other nations as well, and what can be a greater threat, would be immigrants from terrorist nations. Come elections, you will see a surge in immigrant activies, some very violent. Remember the "Marielitos" from Cuba? Some were good honest people seeking freedom. Others were criminals or mentally unstable persons sent by Fidel Castro to empty Cuban prisons and mental institutions. I believe that helping Mexico build industries and housing near the border, but in Mexican territory, with permits and a transportation system for some Mexicans to work in U.S. territory. I know it's not this simple, but America has to move fast to resolve this issue, because if nothing is done soon, maybe in 15 more years America will have a Mexican president and worst yet, terrorismo will have taken over America. God Bless America!

Ricardo I
- 99.9 % American (I don't have the right to vote for the president)
Puerto Rico

[TwinkieDP]

The employers who initially were willing to look the other way when they hired these people should also be held responsible. In an ideal situation, if we were to deport these illegals, those employers would be fined, and the funds from those fines should be funneled back to these hard working people. But we all know thats probably not going to happen.

These illegals know that they have been getting the short end of the stick. That is why they are protesting and demonstrating. I'm sure many of these illegal immigrants worked very hard for a number of years while staying in the U.S. I'm also sure that there are many newcomers here that are taking advantage of the system. Personally, if it were up to me, those who have demonstrated a willingness to commit and remain in this country thru number of years they've been here, should be granted amnesty. The rest should just be sent back south and the borders should be watched closely.

[whatchawant?]

I dont see the argument. They are illegal, give em the boot. Yes they provide a service at a cheaper rate than citizens but if in doubt refer to rule number one. You are illegal, you are NOT entitled to the rights of citizens so later. If you are an employer who hires them then you are assisting in a crime as well. Protest? They dont get no stinking protest.

[_Kev_]

A nation of immigrants, yes, but also a nation of laws. Amnesty is too lenient. Just because a crime is hard to prevent and punish does not mean it should be taken off the books. We lock up millions of drug-users (who have hurt no one but themselves) and the so called war-on-drugs has been an utter failure. Yet we persist because some of us believe that the drug trade leads to violence and poverty. So too with illegals: an uncontrolled exodus to this country could be catastrophic to our economy, healthcare system, criminal justice, and other civil service systems. Not to mention the potential devastation on Welfare and Social Security.

Of course, they wouldn't keep coming if there were no jobs to fill (Unemployment is pretty damn low if I'm not mistaken). For the first time in a long time, I agree with President Bush. Hefty fines for illegals and employers (and deportation for those would do not pay)coupled with a path to citizenship (albeit at the back of the line.) If we could instantly deport all 12 million illegals, our economy would be just as devastated if we opened the borders entirely.

Through this plan, previously illegal immigrants could pay taxes and be on record until their time to attain full citizenship; thereby paying into the social support systems their numbers threaten to burden. It's a compromise position, but one that seems to answer most concerns.