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[garyd]

Sin, MJB, equals selfishness. We drop out the shoot selfish we are born, therefore, sinful. In fact, parenting is the art of civilizing your child to the extent necessary so that when the cuteness wears off the rest of the world will not find it necessary to kill him/her out of hand in self defense.

Adam and Eve had complete free will. They could have as easily chosen to not eat of the tree of knowlege of Good and evil but rather they chose to magnify themselves and thereby doomed themselves and made the cross necessary.

[MJB]

garyd wrote: Sin, MJB, equals selfishness. We drop out the shoot selfish we are born, therefore, sinful. In fact, parenting is the art of civilizing your child to the extent necessary so that when the cuteness wears off the rest of the world will not find it necessary to kill him/her out of hand in self defense.

Sin is willful disobedience of God's commandments. Little children are pure and innocent, and incapable of sin, being incapable of knowing and understanding the commandments of God, in order to sin against them. In addition, if little children were sinful creatures, Jesus would not have given the injunction that we are to become like them, or we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Quote: Adam and Eve had complete free will. They could have as easily chosen to not eat of the tree of knowlege of Good and evil but rather they chose to magnify themselves and thereby doomed themselves and made the cross necessary.

Easily chosen? Well I don't know about that, but, since they were given two commandments, one to populate and replenish the earth, and the other to not partake of the fruit, they had a choice to make. As I see it, they had to decide between partaking of the fruit, and bringing about the fall, resulting in mortality, whereby they could populate the earth with the human family, or, selfishly lounge around the garden alone, in comfort and ease, and without care or responsibility, having everything provided for them. Seems to me they made the unselfish decision to face the harsh unknown, in order to multiply and replenish the earth. :wink:

[garyd]

All sin sir is rooted in selfishness. Children are not born innocent that is nonsense. I've known plenty of two year olds. I didn't have to teach any of them to lie. I had to teach both of mine not to.

I've yet to see a new born that gave a tinker's damn about anyone's needs but it's own.

[MJB]

garyd wrote: All sin sir is rooted in selfishness. Children are not born innocent that is nonsense. I've known plenty of two year olds. I didn't have to teach any of them to lie. I had to teach both of mine not to.

I've yet to see a new born that gave a tinker's damn about anyone's needs but it's own.

Well the selfish little bugger!

He should be changing his own diapers, getting his own bottle, and keeping quiet when he's got colic, so Mom and Dad can sleep.

[toddytodd]

John wrote: Omega1 wrote: Do anyone of you believe someone should be punished for another person's actions? For example, someone murders someone and you want to punish their son also even though he had nothing to do with it?

Consequence.

You see there are consequences for your actions. If you kill someone and you have a son, expect your son to suffer because of the mistake that you made. When a father is incarcerated, executed, or whatever the punishment of the murderer is....his son will suffer because of the connection with his father. It's just a fact of life that part of the reality of going to prison is that your children will suffer.

The point being; understand that your actions affect other people....especially your children.

In that case, all family members close to the person in question would suffer - some close friends too. Really, anyone who loved and is loved by this person. There are consequences to every action as we all know. Some are bad some are good. I saw the question as more of a legal or moral one. If a family member is not involved in the person's act, they should not be held responsible for that person's actions, morally or legally.

[toddytodd]

garyd wrote: Sin, MJB, equals selfishness. We drop out the shoot selfish we are born, therefore, sinful. In fact, parenting is the art of civilizing your child to the extent necessary so that when the cuteness wears off the rest of the world will not find it necessary to kill him/her out of hand in self defense.

Adam and Eve had complete free will. They could have as easily chosen to not eat of the tree of knowlege of Good and evil but rather they chose to magnify themselves and thereby doomed themselves and made the cross necessary.

We drop out the shoot selfish? That is one of the craziest things I have ever heard - here or anywhere else! Laughable even. New born babies are not selfish. Demanding? Yes. Selfish? No.
Babies have no idea of being selfish, selfless, honest, funny, etc. They just want to eat and sleep.
While I respect the fact you can have that point of view, it is almost hateful.