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Gryff1nd0r
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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I was bummed out by the boring and unsubstantial replies to this thread. if nobody wants to defend themselves, than I am taking at as me being right, and you guys just being in denial.
Somebody please come up with an intelligent denfense of your religion, otherwise I am forced to assume that one does not exist (which is quite likely IMO).
SO COME ON!!! THIS IS A FULL FLEDGED ATTCK ON EVERYTHING YOU HOLD SACRED!!!
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Gryff1nd0r wrote: I was bummed out by the boring and unsubstantial replies to this thread. if nobody wants to defend themselves, than I am taking at as me being right, and you guys just being in denial.
Somebody please come up with an intelligent denfense of your religion, otherwise I am forced to assume that one does not exist (which is quite likely IMO).
SO COME ON!!! THIS IS A FULL FLEDGED ATTCK ON EVERYTHING YOU HOLD SACRED!!!
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54763&highlight=
You must really be bored........ |
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soldierofchrist
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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perdidochas wrote: Gryff1nd0r wrote: I was bummed out by the boring and unsubstantial replies to this thread. if nobody wants to defend themselves, than I am taking at as me being right, and you guys just being in denial.
Somebody please come up with an intelligent denfense of your religion, otherwise I am forced to assume that one does not exist (which is quite likely IMO).
SO COME ON!!! THIS IS A FULL FLEDGED ATTCK ON EVERYTHING YOU HOLD SACRED!!!
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54763&highlight=
You must really be bored........ |
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connermt
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Gryff1nd0r wrote: I was bummed out by the boring and unsubstantial replies to this thread. if nobody wants to defend themselves, than I am taking at as me being right, and you guys just being in denial.
Somebody please come up with an intelligent denfense of your religion, otherwise I am forced to assume that one does not exist (which is quite likely IMO).
SO COME ON!!! THIS IS A FULL FLEDGED ATTCK ON EVERYTHING YOU HOLD SACRED!!!
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54763&highlight=
Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here. |
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Omega1
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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connermt wrote: Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here.
Because they need to try to convert people so they don't go to hell. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Omega1 wrote: connermt wrote: Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here.
Because they need to try to convert people so they don't go to hell.
Converting isn't the same as defending their beliefs. |
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John
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Omega1 wrote: connermt wrote: Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here.
Because they need to try to convert people so they don't go to hell.
What are you talking about? A Christian doesn't have to convert people. It's not required....it's not even possible.
It's the Christians part to do what the Holy Spirit puts upon thier heart.
God is the one that does the converting. |
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Gilbert1908
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Omega1 wrote: connermt wrote: Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here.
Because they need to try to convert people so they don't go to hell.
Feel free to go where you like, that journey is yours and yours alone. |
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soldierofchrist
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Omega1 wrote: connermt wrote: Why would anyone feel the need to defend their beliefs?
They are their beliefs, not subject to anyone's criteria, especially on here.
Because they need to try to convert people so they don't go to hell.
Hmm that comment shows your ignorance, lack of understanding, and general bias against religion and religious people in general. |
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Omega1
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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John wrote: What are you talking about? A Christian doesn't have to convert people. It's not required....it's not even possible.
It's the Christians part to do what the Holy Spirit puts upon thier heart.
God is the one that does the converting.
How does God do the converting?
He gives us the Bible and signs to show people the truth (it's really BS though)
Mark
16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
connermt wrote: Converting isn't the same as defending their beliefs.
If you defend your beliefs you might change their mind.
soldierofchrist wrote: Hmm that comment shows your ignorance, lack of understanding, and general bias against religion and religious people in general.
James
5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
So why wouldn't you want to save someone? |
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soldierofchrist
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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Omega1 wrote: John wrote: What are you talking about? A Christian doesn't have to convert people. It's not required....it's not even possible.
It's the Christians part to do what the Holy Spirit puts upon thier heart.
God is the one that does the converting.
How does God do the converting?
He gives us the Bible and signs to show people the truth (it's really BS though)
Mark
16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
connermt wrote: Converting isn't the same as defending their beliefs.
If you defend your beliefs you might change their mind.
soldierofchrist wrote: Hmm that comment shows your ignorance, lack of understanding, and general bias against religion and religious people in general.
James
5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
So why wouldn't you want to save someone?
I don't evangelize anyone. Well for one my views are so highly unorthodox I doubt I could bring anyone into the Church to begin with. But no, I'm not arrogant enough to try and convert anyone to my choose belief system. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Does Anybody here Want To Defend your Faith? |
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soldierofchrist wrote: Omega1 wrote: John wrote: What are you talking about? A Christian doesn't have to convert people. It's not required....it's not even possible.
It's the Christians part to do what the Holy Spirit puts upon thier heart.
God is the one that does the converting.
How does God do the converting?
He gives us the Bible and signs to show people the truth (it's really BS though)
Mark
16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
connermt wrote: Converting isn't the same as defending their beliefs.
If you defend your beliefs you might change their mind.
soldierofchrist wrote: Hmm that comment shows your ignorance, lack of understanding, and general bias against religion and religious people in general.
James
5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
So why wouldn't you want to save someone?
I don't evangelize anyone. Well for one my views are so highly unorthodox I doubt I could bring anyone into the Church to begin with. But no, I'm not arrogant enough to try and convert anyone to my choose belief system.
In my experience, it is best to let your actions & life speak for themselves. People will see what you do (good or bad) & that will either draw them toward God or push them away. Once someone watches you for a while, & asks you what's up, then you can share your story with them & offer advice if they ask. From that point forward, it is up to them to make the determination to follow God or not, with help from you if you are asked for it. |
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Gryff1nd0r
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soldierofchrist
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Gryff1nd0r wrote: blah blah blah
At least you keep an open mind... |
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Gryff1nd0r
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soldierofchrist wrote: Gryff1nd0r wrote: blah blah blah
At least you keep an open mind...
Its always my priority. Realize that having an open mind is not the same as thinking everyone is right, or that it is okay if a majority of people are wrong.
I think that there is right and wrong about everything, and it should be a point of people to try and figure it out.
But seriously... I genuinely consider EVERY possibility, and when I figure out that I was wrong, then I say it. To me, that is what having an open mind is about; not about accepting that lies are equal to the truth.
EDIT: and at a certain point, you have to admit that you just don't know, nobody does. Religion refuses to do that, and it bugs me. |
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Iandefor
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| What's wrong with faith? |
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Gryff1nd0r
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Iandefor wrote: What's wrong with faith?
Go to the thread I posted. |
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feederband
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Iandefor wrote: What's wrong with faith?
Reality is more productive way to spend you time and money on... |
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wormwood
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Quote: Realize that having an open mind is not the same as thinking everyone is right, or that it is okay if a majority of people are wrong.
I think that there is right and wrong about everything, and it should be a point of people to try and figure it out.
But seriously... I genuinely consider EVERY possibility, and when I figure out that I was wrong, then I say it. To me, that is what having an open mind is about; not about accepting that lies are equal to the truth.
EDIT: and at a certain point, you have to admit that you just don't know, nobody does. Religion refuses to do that, and it bugs me. You make some very good observations about being open minded.
Unfortunately, this whole issue seems to stem from a lack of responses to a dead end "what if" topic, and the above comment excluded, you have posted nothing of value here, so I will humor you and respond to the other topic.
Your first post on the "what if" topic sets up nothing but unfounded speculations on BOTH sides. Read your first post on that thread, then read the post I quoted above :lol: . I will admit that I don't know the answer to the question. I would take into consideration that old religions are making a comeback. There are no prophets for these religions. Old texts were found or translated and people were drawn to them. It wasn't something they "knew" because of scientifically observable results, they knew because of personally observable results. Just a thought. |
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Iandefor
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Gryff1nd0r wrote: Iandefor wrote: What's wrong with faith?
Go to the thread I posted. Jah, I read it. The argument it made was utterly unoriginal and guilty of the cognitive bias. I ask again: what is wrong with faith?i |
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