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[Fido]

DevilMan wrote: Didn't Bill Gates say that at a board meeting? :lol:

When you are rich you can afford to be board. Or is that bored?

[Snarf]

Not dying is my idea of Hell...

[Fido]

Snarf wrote: Not dying is my idea of Hell...

The mortal having to struggle constantly with the immortal is my idea of hell, and reality.

[zelda]

What if humans didn't die?

i just can't imagine a more hideous punishment! thank god humans do die...!

[Fido]

zelda wrote: What if humans didn't die?

i just can't imagine a more hideous punishment! thank god humans do die...!

I think if humans did not die they would kill humanity, just as the desire for immortality through offspring needing wealthy provisions beyond the deaths of their parents now is destroying humanity. If we did not know our children, but all were our children, and all wealth were returned to the common wealth after we died, and the only key to immortality that could be kept, opened tales of great adventures and heroic struggles then -humanity might safely sleep.
When the world has become stale and Gray we can live through the lives of children, and see things new through their eyes, and hear again through their ears. To appreciate this world we must see it anew each day, and the price we pay for a long life is blindness and a general insensitivity. Children have to learn to deny their feelings, and their sensitivities to live with the heartlessness of the insensitive old. If the old lived forever it would be at the expense of their humanity, which is a gift we receive from children. Children rightly perceive that life is everything, and the old rightly perceive that existence is everything, and you may perceive that they are the same thing with a change of perspective. Without the fatal consequences of death, and without the fact of death drawing everything we do in stark colors we would not be human, and with all our intelligence would be no more human than a computer.

[WorldCitizenMovement]

forthegreatergood wrote: What if humans didn't die no matter what you did to them? What if they were invulnerable? How would current events be? Think about it. Could Al-Qaeda threaten the U.S.? (Yes, but we would be like, threaten all you like, you can't hurt us.) Could the U.S. go to war with Al-Qaeda? (Al-Qaeda would be like, hey what are you doing, you can't hurt us why are you spending all that time, effort and money to hurt us?)

If humans were invulnerable, what would Palestine and Israel do? What would they threaten each other with, because they couldn't hurt each other. Maybe they could actually do some productive things. Maybe their news would have something positive, Maybe they governments would have time to govern instead of being fooled into spending time after time in conflict about fighting.
Are they trying to find out in how many ways they can create conflict or what?

If humans were invulnerable, would we attempt war? Would people mourn, would people suffer?

PONDER THIS: Is the notion of death and not knowing what happens a problem or a solution?; are these notions reasons that beings experience death and don't know what is happening and suffer? Is that why wars occur and people manipulate each other?

Beings use this to try to influence others and have power and hurt each other to get their way. Is that GOOD or evil?

If we focused on peace and GOOD things don't you think things could be better? What would terrorists do then if they did not get so much attention that they crave?

than we'ed probably find a way to die.

If humans never died than there would probably be no conception or meaning of war for war is a struggle between two opponents with the aim of annihilation or victory. How can one obtain victory in war without killing to the point of one enemy falling to its knees?

[DevilMan]

Every one would be too stoned to care what happened, if no one could die there would be no need to outlaw drugs! I'd probobly eat my body weight in mushrooms (Who cares what kind I can't die!) and have a party with Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo maybe Fred Flinstone but that yabadabadoo thing would get on my nerves and I'd have to put a bullet in his head.

[Fido]

DevilMan wrote: Every one would be too stoned to care what happened, if no one could die there would be no need to outlaw drugs! I'd probobly eat my body weight in mushrooms (Who cares what kind I can't die!) and have a party with Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo maybe Fred Flinstone but that yabadabadoo thing would get on my nerves and I'd have to put a bullet in his head.

You could do what you like and it would have no meaning, because the meaning of life is life threatened by death.

If you believe Jesus was God, then his dieing was no chore, because he could not die in fact. It was nice that he would suffer unto death, but without the death we did not get our money's worth.

[Cato]

What a whimsical thread! What if humans couldn't die indeed!? In answer, I suppose we'd become somewhat like the Greek Gods: unscrupulous and aloof, our actions stripped of the consequences that give them purpose.

And soon after we'd become terribly uncomfortable due to a lack of personal space...

[krnmatt]

it would be awful
what i think is
that we wouldn't have the motivation to do anything
i mean like anything
we would lose our motivation that makes us happy in life

no matter what it would be
it would suck

[DevilMan]

Whats great about this thread is because its not really 'what if people couldn't die' its more like, if you could do ANYTHING what would you do... Don't say die, that doesn't count. I wouldn't be able to stop jumping off of buildings, or sky diving with no parachute. I always wondered what Windex tasted like. What if I had a power tool fight? Wrestle with a cougar. Literally play in traffic. Maybe I'd want to swim down a volcano to see if I can come back up in China. Oh the possibilities.

[Hyde]

CSA Davis wrote: Sigh.... such ignorance. You realize that the only reason hasn't been cured yet is because the liberal bureaucracies in power won't tell anyone the location of the Fountain of Youth. Luckily, I know where it is, so you can thank me later.

It is located in the Bunker located on my plantation. If you want access, I only require a lifetime pledge of servitude in my mines. You'll need to buy your own protective equipment though, by sulfuric acid is quite common in the mines.

Liberals in power. what parallel universe are you in.

But really, sign me up. i love the sulfuric acid smell. all of my candles have that scent.

[Harbinger]

Let's take this one question at a time.

forthegreatergood wrote:
What if humans didn't die no matter what you did to them? What if they were invulnerable?

It's hard to imagine since nothing is invulnerable. Every person would have to be completely isolated from the rest of the universe in some sort of an impenetrable space/time bubble which would have no external size or dimension and only enough internal dimension to hold the person. Nothing going in, nothing coming out. Without air, food and water, we'd all die pretty quickly.

forthegreatergood wrote:
How would current events be? Could Al-Qaeda threaten the U.S.? (Yes, but we would be like, threaten all you like, you can't hurt us.) Could the U.S. go to war with Al-Qaeda? (Al-Qaeda would be like, hey what are you doing, you can't hurt us why are you spending all that time, effort and money to hurt us?)

None of the above since we'd all be trapped in space/time bubbles.

forthegreatergood wrote:
If humans were invulnerable, what would Palestine and Israel do? What would they threaten each other with, because they couldn't hurt each other. Maybe they could actually do some productive things. Maybe their news would have something positive, Maybe they governments would have time to govern instead of being fooled into spending time after time in conflict about fighting. Are they trying to find out in how many ways they can create conflict or what?

If humans were invulnerable, would we attempt war? Would people mourn, would people suffer?

No, yes and yes- but only for a minute or two.

forthegreatergood wrote:
PONDER THIS: Is the notion of death and not knowing what happens a problem or a solution? Are these notions reasons that beings experience death and don't know what is happening and suffer? Is that why wars occur and people manipulate each other?

We all know exactly what happens when we die. People just don't want to face it. First you feel some kind of pain or discomfort. It could be mild or very excruciating, depending on the cause. Eventually, the last thing you experience is the sensation of passing out. After that you are unable to experience anything at all. Once your critical organs fail- you stop breathing and your heart stops beating- oxygen deprivation unleashes a cascade of death through the cells in all the tissues of your body- especially your brain. If you are unable to recover and nobody helps within a very short time, your tissues will become irreparably damaged and you become clinically dead. No immortal soul, no afterlife, no heaven or hell- end of story.

forthegreatergood wrote:
Beings use this to try to influence others and have power and hurt each other to get their way. Is that GOOD or evil?

I think 'evil' fits best.

forthegreatergood wrote:
If we focused on peace and GOOD things don't you think things could be better? What would terrorists do then if they did not get so much attention that they crave?

Actually, the only thing terrorists want is for them to be anonymous and for you to be afraid of them. Facing them head on is exactly the opposite.

[Reason]

So most of the world would be set in an everlasting state of malnutrition. :cry:

[George W Bush]

there would need legislation to limit birth.

there would also be incentives for people to off themselves. something like a benefit for the surviving family.

such would be the world if humans lived forever.

[Demonic Spoon]

So what?

Then people we wanted to kill would either be stuck in some prison somewhere or launched into space. It would be more difficult to off people, but it would be done.

Basically, it would be the same, except being offed would be one f**k of a lot worse. Imagine eternity, just drifting in space.

[Atlas Bergeron]

forthegreatergood wrote: What if humans didn't die no matter what you did to them? What if they were invulnerable? How would current events be? Think about it. Could Al-Qaeda threaten the U.S.? (Yes, but we would be like, threaten all you like, you can't hurt us.) Could the U.S. go to war with Al-Qaeda? (Al-Qaeda would be like, hey what are you doing, you can't hurt us why are you spending all that time, effort and money to hurt us?)

If humans were invulnerable, what would Palestine and Israel do? What would they threaten each other with, because they couldn't hurt each other. Maybe they could actually do some productive things. Maybe their news would have something positive, Maybe they governments would have time to govern instead of being fooled into spending time after time in conflict about fighting.
Are they trying to find out in how many ways they can create conflict or what?

If humans were invulnerable, would we attempt war? Would people mourn, would people suffer?

PONDER THIS: Is the notion of death and not knowing what happens a problem or a solution?; are these notions reasons that beings experience death and don't know what is happening and suffer? Is that why wars occur and people manipulate each other?

Beings use this to try to influence others and have power and hurt each other to get their way. Is that GOOD or evil?

If we focused on peace and GOOD things don't you think things could be better? What would terrorists do then if they did not get so much attention that they crave?

Somebody doesn't understand the basis of morals...

If men were imortal--then right and wrong would itself be changed.

[Green]

guantanamo on toast wrote: forthegreatergood wrote: What if humans didn't die no matter what you did to them? What if they were invulnerable?
This planet would be too bloody crowded.

But people wouldn't die because of over crouding.

If there is no adverse effect on the population, I think that it will have a enlightening effect on people. People would worry about things other than themselves.

Or, they will just waste their time.

[greeneye]

forthegreatergood wrote: What if humans didn't die no matter what you did to them? What if they were invulnerable?

What if humans came to realize that their spirit and soul is invulnerable? What if such a realization helped man to understand that a physical death only affects the temporal human body?

[David Kelly]

Agreed.