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[Matt C.]

theykilledkenny83 wrote: I was watching Hotel Rwanda and I thought, "Why the hell didn't the U.N. help more? Why didn't Clinton send U.S. Troops to help them?" It is despicable that no one intervened in the Rwanda genocide. Keyword there is GENOCIDE. At the 1948 U.N. convention, All the countries participating agreed to intervene whenever acts of Genocide were taking place. The UN and Clinton ignored that statement. Clinton used 18 American casualties in Somalia 6 months earlier as an excuse to not intervene in the genocide, even though he knew about what was happening all along.(There are documents proving it.) Clinton isn't the only one to blame. The UN needed a heck of a lot more troops than just 2200. I know, you are probably going to say that Clinton apologized to Rwanda in 1998. The genocide was in 1994. Almost 800,000 people were killed in just 100 days. Clinton's apology came four years too late. The UN s*cks also. They couldn't stop Somalia, Yugoslavia, or, even worse, Rwanda. You are probably asking why are we not in Darfur. I am asking that question also. I am disappointed that we are not in Darfur (one of the only things that I am disappointed in our president for, but he is working with the UN to possibly send troops there. It's just taking forever.) I pray that we are in Darfur soon. +p

1- Clinton was a moron.

2-We just had bad things going on in Somalia

3-Europe, destroyed Africa. Not the US.

4- Its not our damn problem. Who cares? Not me.

[theykilledkenny83]

Matt C. wrote: theykilledkenny83 wrote: I was watching Hotel Rwanda and I thought, "Why the hell didn't the U.N. help more? Why didn't Clinton send U.S. Troops to help them?" It is despicable that no one intervened in the Rwanda genocide. Keyword there is GENOCIDE. At the 1948 U.N. convention, All the countries participating agreed to intervene whenever acts of Genocide were taking place. The UN and Clinton ignored that statement. Clinton used 18 American casualties in Somalia 6 months earlier as an excuse to not intervene in the genocide, even though he knew about what was happening all along.(There are documents proving it.) Clinton isn't the only one to blame. The UN needed a heck of a lot more troops than just 2200. I know, you are probably going to say that Clinton apologized to Rwanda in 1998. The genocide was in 1994. Almost 800,000 people were killed in just 100 days. Clinton's apology came four years too late. The UN s*cks also. They couldn't stop Somalia, Yugoslavia, or, even worse, Rwanda. You are probably asking why are we not in Darfur. I am asking that question also. I am disappointed that we are not in Darfur (one of the only things that I am disappointed in our president for, but he is working with the UN to possibly send troops there. It's just taking forever.) I pray that we are in Darfur soon. +p

1- Clinton was a moron.

2-We just had bad things going on in Somalia

3-Europe, destroyed Africa. Not the US.

4- Its not our damn problem. Who cares? Not me.




1. I would agree with you.

2. I watched an interview with the soldiers who were involved in Somalia, they were not bitter about being there--they were bitter about Clinton pulling them out. Everything was going right in Somalia for us until 10/3/93.

3. I blame the US for not doing anything, I blame Europe for the rest.

4. Whenever genocide is occurring, it IS our problem. 400,000 dead (and counting) and you say that don't care? Any humanitarian workers there (Including some Americans) were either killed, kidnapped, arrested, tortured, or a combination of the four. Money should NOT be worth more than peoples lives. Letting these atrocites continue would be like letting another holocaust happen.

[Matt C.]

2. Well, even that mission, though a problem, still cost 18 lives of ours while we killed over 1000 enemies.

3. Not doing anything when? Now?

Well now we are far from being able to afford it without screwing over our own people yet again, and back then, we literally had no say in what countries could do there except for Liberia.

4. Quote: Whenever genocide is occurring, it IS our problem.

How is some militia, killing some people, who either never heard of me, or hate me because of my American citizenship, my problem?

Who suddenly put in a rule that our country, and people like me, have to give up things for some people we don’t know some place?
God? The U.N.? Ha!

Quote: 400,000 dead (and counting) and you say that don't care?

Nope. It has absolutely nothing to do with me.
Sure I think its horrible and sad and something obviously is going wrong over there, but, we have our own country to worry about.

Quote: Any humanitarian workers there (Including some Americans) were either killed, kidnapped, arrested, tortured, or a combination of the four.

They took that risk going there. I mean, if I joined the military, or went to Iraq as a missionary and to help injured people would you give me any backing if I said, wait a f***ing second, nobody told me it would be dangerous here!

They went to a deadly country, because they are good people, but its not my decision, why should I have to be responsible for it?

Quote: Money should NOT be worth more than peoples lives.

Yeah, but you forget.
If you spend more money on them, it will cause a ripple effect through America over the next several decades hurting our standards of living and ruining our country, combined with every other thing our government gets us into around the world.

Quote: Letting these atrocites continue would be like letting another holocaust happen.

Who are you to compare such a thing?

6 million, cause by Nazi Germany, compared with 400,000, because Europe and more specifically Belgium colonized them………..

World war 2 was a defense of freedom challenging the world.

I doubt those militias would even make it two countries over.
How is Africa going to grow up if whenever they have a problem, we through American tax money and citizens of America’s lives at it?

[Demonic Spoon]

Quote:
4. Whenever genocide is occurring, it IS our problem. 400,000 dead (and counting) and you say that don't care? Any humanitarian workers there (Including some Americans) were either killed, kidnapped, arrested, tortured, or a combination of the four. Money should NOT be worth more than peoples lives. Letting these atrocites continue would be like letting another holocaust happen.

Some people would disagree with you. Who are you to force THEM to spend THEIR money on something they don't believe in? There are things called "Rights".

If you are so worried about it, spend your own money to fix the problem. Or, better yet, get others to. Hire a few military contractors and send 'em to Rwanda.


Although I would not be opposed to letting soldiers in the US army voluntarily go, with some rented equipment, as long as all the expenses were paid for by themselves or their supporters and not the taxpayers.

[theykilledkenny83]

Matt C. wrote: 2. Well, even that mission, though a problem, still cost 18 lives of ours while we killed over 1000 enemies.

3. Not doing anything when? Now?

Well now we are far from being able to afford it without screwing over our own people yet again, and back then, we literally had no say in what countries could do there except for Liberia.

4. Quote: Whenever genocide is occurring, it IS our problem.

How is some militia, killing some people, who either never heard of me, or hate me because of my American citizenship, my problem?

Who suddenly put in a rule that our country, and people like me, have to give up things for some people we don’t know some place?
God? The U.N.? Ha!

Quote: 400,000 dead (and counting) and you say that don't care?

Nope. It has absolutely nothing to do with me.
Sure I think its horrible and sad and something obviously is going wrong over there, but, we have our own country to worry about.

Quote: Any humanitarian workers there (Including some Americans) were either killed, kidnapped, arrested, tortured, or a combination of the four.

They took that risk going there. I mean, if I joined the military, or went to Iraq as a missionary and to help injured people would you give me any backing if I said, wait a f***ing second, nobody told me it would be dangerous here!

They went to a deadly country, because they are good people, but its not my decision, why should I have to be responsible for it?

Quote: Money should NOT be worth more than peoples lives.

Yeah, but you forget.
If you spend more money on them, it will cause a ripple effect through America over the next several decades hurting our standards of living and ruining our country, combined with every other thing our government gets us into around the world.

Quote: Letting these atrocites continue would be like letting another holocaust happen.

Who are you to compare such a thing?

6 million, cause by Nazi Germany, compared with 400,000, because Europe and more specifically Belgium colonized them………..

World war 2 was a defense of freedom challenging the world.

I doubt those militias would even make it two countries over.
How is Africa going to grow up if whenever they have a problem, we through American tax money and citizens of America’s lives at it?

2. The soldiers wanted to avenge their fellow soldiers by capturing Aidid, no matter what the cost. Then Clinton pulled them out. Also, Clinton's Secretary of defense, Les Aspin, denied weapons for our troops there as request by the general. Look what happened. If we had the weapons, we could've gone in and finished mission quicker, and both sides would've had less casualties.

3. One word: Rwanda. Almost a million people died there in just 3 months and no one did anything about it. Ever seen Hotel Rwanda? That shows how bad it was. (Plus, it was being sponsered by the people who were actually there in '94.)

4. I never said we caused it, it's our problem for letting it happen and just sitting there. It's common sense: putting yourself on the line for someone you don't know is a selfless act, while letting genocide happen is, well, selfish. If genocide was occurring here...would you want another country to help stop it? Probably. So we should treat them as our own. We are all civilians of this planet. It's everyone's job to make sure everyone is safe (except the terrorists). You don't have to be responsible. You just have to say "Something's going wrong over there, its must be stopped." The only reason it is NOT like the holocaust is that people are dying at a much slower rate. If people were dying at the same rate as the holocaust, then we would have 3 million dead already. The quicker we go in there and stop it, the quicker we can (hopefully) go out, the quicker you have to spend less money. It's that simple. Go in, stop it, get out. With our force, it would be much quicker than if we just let it happen.