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Congratulations to the troops for not helping the tribal scum. I support all forms of death that are brought on to violent, uneducated individuals.

[Bobicito]

I have to agree with anything Spoon has said. If you don't like what is going on down there grab a gun and go down there, don't blame are goverment for not stepping in. Not are problems.

[theykilledkenny83]

7 wrote: Congratulations to the troops for not helping the tribal scum. I support all forms of death that are brought on to violent, uneducated individuals.

If we go into there, they probably won't be violent and uneducated, now would they?

[theykilledkenny83]

Bobicito wrote: I have to agree with anything Spoon has said. If you don't like what is going on down there grab a gun and go down there, don't blame are goverment for not stepping in. Not are problems.

I would be going down there, and me and my friends are thinking of starting a private military group just like you suggested, but we can't do it all alone. The bigger the force, the faster the genocide is going to end. Get my drift? When people are dying by the thousands, it is everyone's problem. When the government intervenes, the death toll lower than it is if the government doesn't intervene. (Though that's not saying much)

Somalia 1992: US/UN Intervention death toll reaches a peak of 300,000 (Could it get any worse? You bet)

Rwanda 1994: Little to no intervention, death toll reaches 800,000 by the time it ends.

[milo1047]

7 wrote: Congratulations to the troops for not helping the tribal scum. I support all forms of death that are brought on to violent, uneducated individuals.

You, sir, sicken me. I can tell from your avatar what kind of person you are already. Your kind is not appreciated here.

And back to the topic at hand.

Somethign should be done about what is happenign in Darfur, unfrotunately no country has the balls to step up to the plate and do something about it.

[Demonic Spoon]

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I would be going down there, and me and my friends are thinking of starting a private military group just like you suggested, but we can't do it all alone. The bigger the force, the faster the genocide is going to end. Get my drift? When people are dying by the thousands, it is everyone's problem. When the government intervenes, the death toll lower than it is if the government doesn't intervene. (Though that's not saying much)

Somalia 1992: US/UN Intervention death toll reaches a peak of 300,000 (Could it get any worse? You bet)

Rwanda 1994: Little to no intervention, death toll reaches 800,000 by the time it ends.

Then advertise and get MORE people to join your private military group, or encourage them to make their own. It's not a hard concept.

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Somethign should be done about what is happenign in Darfur, unfrotunately no country has the balls to step up to the plate and do something about it.

More likely, the citizens of said countries don't have the balls to do anything without the government doing it for them.



The only problem you could possibly have with this is that the US rediculous gun control laws make it hard to get some good military grade weapons with which to kick ass with. Either way, a semi-automatic AR-15 or AK-47 will still do fine...or, if not, stop at some country on the way and get some better weapons in a country that has no such laws.

[Jehan]

7 wrote: Congratulations to the troops for not helping the tribal scum. I support all forms of death that are brought on to violent, uneducated individuals.

If you're going to be a Nazi, then try some intelligent debate. If you can't, then you will be banned from this forum. The rules explicitly ban racist comments of ANY kind, and if you fail to go by these rules, the Administration of this forum will take action.

In other words, if you spew racist garbage whenever you post, you will be banned. Expect this and any other of your trolling posts to be reported.

[Jehan]

Back on topic, Spoon is absolutely right. The US should never intervene in other countries matters. Who cares if people are butchered ruthlessly? As long as it isn't my neighbor, it's a waste of money to go down there and actually save lives.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm being sarcastic.

[Demonic Spoon]

Jehan wrote: Back on topic, Spoon is absolutely right. The US should never intervene in other countries matters. Who cares if people are butchered ruthlessly? As long as it isn't my neighbor, it's a waste of money to go down there and actually save lives.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm being sarcastic.

Wow, way to completely f***ing ignore my point. Congratulations :tu:

I said that if you want to do it, get some guns and do it yourself. Don't force others to do it for you because YOU'RE too lazy. You will do it yourself if you REALLY want it done.

[theykilledkenny83]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Jehan wrote: Back on topic, Spoon is absolutely right. The US should never intervene in other countries matters. Who cares if people are butchered ruthlessly? As long as it isn't my neighbor, it's a waste of money to go down there and actually save lives.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm being sarcastic.

Wow, way to completely f***ing ignore my point. Congratulations :tu:

I said that if you want to do it, get some guns and do it yourself. Don't force others to do it for you because YOU'RE too lazy. You will do it yourself if you REALLY want it done.



Like I said an army of 100,000 is more likely to stop genocide than a private military group of 100-1,000.

[Demonic Spoon]

Who says the army has to be that small? If that many people REALLY care then you will have an army that big to stop the genocide. Tell me, would you walk up to someone's house, hold them at gunpoint, and tell them to join in your cause?

[antonio62]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Who says the army has to be that small? If that many people REALLY care then you will have an army that big to stop the genocide. Tell me, would you walk up to someone's house, hold them at gunpoint, and tell them to join in your cause?

The people who join the military are not being forced to go. They joined up knowing full well they would be sent into situations like this. It also wouldn't take much to stop it> We're talking a about a few thousand at the very most. No country would ever be sending more than a few hundred troops. The cost would be minimal really. Doubtful it would exceed more than $10 dollars per person at the very very most.

[Demonic Spoon]

1) Okay then, if it's that cheap, then why the hell is it so hard to get people to donate?

2) If not many troops are needed, once again, then Why is it so hard to find people to join?

3) The army is for f***ing defense of the US. The Army exists to defend the US, not be sent off to some BS wars that don't involve us.


Tell me, lets say someone doesn't want to donate/help the cause in Rwanda, because they think the people deserve to die. What makes your opinion on the situation better than theirs?

[red dragon]

Everyone is to blame for Rwanda. It's no good blaming the UN, when the permanent 1 on the security council decided to do feck all, IE America, because Clinton wet his pants, also Rwanda doesn't export oil, so there's no point in helping them. My best friend was in Rwanda with the Parachute regiment, the stories he told me were horrific, much worst than anything that I could have ever imagined.

WQe are all to blame, the only person worthy of a slap on the back was the Canadian contingent and the Pakistani's.

[Demonic Spoon]

red dragon wrote: Everyone is to blame for Rwanda. It's no good blaming the UN, when the permanent 1 on the security council decided to do feck all, IE America, because Clinton wet his pants, also Rwanda doesn't export oil, so there's no point in helping them. My best friend was in Rwanda with the Parachute regiment, the stories he told me were horrific, much worst than anything that I could have ever imagined.

WQe are all to blame, the only person worthy of a slap on the back was the Canadian contingent and the Pakistani's.

No, the people doing the killing are to blame. I didn't do s**t to facilitate genocide.

[Jehan]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Wow, way to completely f***ing ignore my point. Congratulations :tu:

I said that if you want to do it, get some guns and do it yourself. Don't force others to do it for you because YOU'RE too lazy. You will do it yourself if you REALLY want it done.

Believe it or not, most people cannot afford to raise a private army to do so. If I could join such an army, I'd been enrolled already. However, life doesn't work that way. To fund such an expedition that would be large enough to make a sizeable impact would cost millions. The US Army can afford millions, we can't.

[antonio62]

Demonic Spoon wrote: 1) Okay then, if it's that cheap, then why the hell is it so hard to get people to donate?


How many people actually know what’s going on who would donate? I'd guess not many know about Darfur. It also wouldn't be that cheap if you had to raise a private army because you need to train and equip them something you don't have to do with the army. Buying air cover would cost millions and without it your doomed to failure.

Quote: 2) If not many troops are needed, once again, then Why is it so hard to find people to join?

It wouldn't be that hard to find a few thousand to go over and fight but how do you fund such a thing and how do you get the publicity required for people to know about it?

Quote: 3) The army is for f***ing defense of the US. The Army exists to defend the US, not be sent off to some BS wars that don't involve us.

It is beneficial to everyone in the long run to have a stable Africa.


Quote: Tell me, lets say someone doesn't want to donate/help the cause in Rwanda, because they think the people deserve to die. What makes your opinion on the situation better than theirs?

Thats like asking why should murders be put in prison.

[Demonic Spoon]

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How many people actually know what’s going on who would donate? I'd guess not many know about Darfur. It also wouldn't be that cheap if you had to raise a private army because you need to train and equip them something you don't have to do with the army. Buying air cover would cost millions and without it your doomed to failure.


Advertise.


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It wouldn't be that hard to find a few thousand to go over and fight but how do you fund such a thing and how do you the publicity required for people to know about it?


Advertise

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It is beneficial to everyone in the long run to have a stable Africa.



Preemptive strikes are not defense. They are offense.


Quote: Thats like asking why should murders be put in prison.


No, murderers should be put in prison because they violates someone's rights. Believing that a group of people deserves to die violates NOONE'S rights.



And yes, air cover WOULD cost millions. It costs millions whether the air force does it, or a military contractor does it, so what's the issue? The only difference is that one FORCES PEOPLE TO PAY FOR IT, the other is voluntary. You should, however, have absolutely no trouble finding volunteers. Hell, you don't even need volunteers. Rack up enough cash and hire some mercenaries....

[antonio62]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Advertise.

Where do you get the money to do that?


Quote: Preemptive strikes are not defense. They are offense.

You are correct but it doesn't stop helping Africa being in America's and Africa's interests.


Quote: No, murderers should be put in prison because they violates someone's rights. Believing that a group of people deserves to die violates NOONE'S rights.

That wasn't a great comparison but just because some people don't beleive they should live the majority of people do. When you are making a decesion that affects everyone it is the majority of peoples beleif that should eb carried out.



Quote: And yes, air cover WOULD cost millions. It costs millions whether the air force does it, or a military contractor does it, so what's the issue? The only difference is that one FORCES PEOPLE TO PAY FOR IT, the other is voluntary. You should, however, have absolutely no trouble finding volunteers. Hell, you don't even need volunteers. Rack up enough cash and hire some mercenaries....

And those mercenary's can afford to but jet fighters and helicopters I doubt it and if they do the amount your paying for them would be unreal. The cost wouldn't nearly be the same buying a whole air new air force and training people to fly them as opposed to sending some of the US's military support.

[Demonic Spoon]

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Where do you get the money to do that?


Ask people for donations.
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You are correct but it doesn't stop helping Africa being in America's and Africa's interests.


Tell me how this helps the US
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That wasn't a great comparison but just because some people don't beleive they should live the majority of people do. When you are making a decesion that affects everyone it is the majority of peoples beleif that should eb carried out.

We live in a republic, not a democracy. Mob rule does not apply. If the majority thinks gays should be executed, that would not make it legal.


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And those mercenary's can afford to but jet fighters and helicopters I doubt it and if they do the amount your paying for them would be unreal. The cost wouldn't nearly be the same buying a whole air new air force and training people to fly them as opposed to sending some of the US's military support.

Mercenaries already have all the equipment they need, they just need some cash to carry it out (and as an incentive). It would cost no more than it would cost to have the US army do it. In fact, it'd probably cost a lot less.