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PrinceJunius · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: Christian No More

Yeah, so I've just lost my faith tonight. I went into my room, tore my crucifix from the wall, threw it away, and started throwing all the things in my room away that even remotely remind me of religion. Why? Because either there is no God, or God is an ****.

Anyone want to try to convince me to stay a Christian? Here's your chance.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 3963

Why don't you tell us what happened.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

Why is God an ****? :?

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:01 am Post subject:

EightyEight wrote: Why don't you tell us what happened.

I'd rather not. It has to do with homosexuality, and I'm just going to get the whole "GAYNESS IS A SIN!" spiel again.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

PrinceJunius wrote: EightyEight wrote: Why don't you tell us what happened.

I'd rather not. It has to do with homosexuality, and I'm just going to get the whole "GAYNESS IS A SIN!" spiel again.

how do you expect people to convince you to stay christian if you won't tell the problem in the first place?

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 3963

PrinceJunius wrote: EightyEight wrote: Why don't you tell us what happened.

I'd rather not. It has to do with homosexuality, and I'm just going to get the whole "GAYNESS IS A SIN!" spiel again.

Well then noone can help you if we don't know what's wrong.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:

*Sigh* Here we go:

I used to have a boyfriend named David, until his parents caught us doing stuff that we couldn't explain. So now, I'm not allowed to see him anymore. My parents tried to convince me to forget about him, but I can't just do that, because I loved him. From what I've been hearing from my friends who live close to him, David is forced to see a pastor who tries to convert him to being straight. And David has said that his parents are considering putting him in a private school away from where I hang out, and if worse comes to worse, they'll move to another county.

It's so unfair, and it's all God's fault. If Jesus had just been crystal clear about how homosexuality isn't a sin, none of this would have happened. But no, he has to be all mysterious and silent about it, like he is with everything. And God is clearly no help, because he either wants me to be miserable my entire life, or is too lazy to do anything to help.

Okay, I mentioned what my problem is, but it's rather irrelevant in my opinion. The point is, my life s*cks, and God is not doing a damn thing about it. Why should I stay a Christian? What good is it bringing to my life?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6939 Location: Ohio

Okay. IMHO, you are becoming an athiest-however for the wrong reasons. I am nto a pastor, so I may be wrong on this...but I'm pretty sure that Christians believe that life is God's way of testing you, and that this is probably one of them.

As an athiest, I think this is complete BS, but htat is probably what the others are gonna tell you. Loosing a deep, spiritual faith because of an incident like this is a shame, really. But if you loose faith over this, you probably weren't all that dedicated to Christianity anyway.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

Sooo... you'd rather have a relationship with David than with God?

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38 am Post subject:

Iluvguns wrote: Okay. IMHO, you are becoming an athiest-however for the wrong reasons. I am nto a pastor, so I may be wrong on this...but I'm pretty sure that Christians believe that life is God's way of testing you, and that this is probably one of them.

As an athiest, I think this is complete BS, but htat is probably what the others are gonna tell you. Loosing a deep, spiritual faith because of an incident like this is a shame, really. But if you loose faith over this, you probably weren't all that dedicated to Christianity anyway.

I don't think I'm becoming an atheist. I am just more inclined not to be a Christian anymore. I still believe in a higher power...I just don't know if it is the Judeo-Christian God anymore. Why couldn't Jesus see injustices like this coming? He could've stopped them with just a sentence. I could pray, I guess, but I doubt that it will make anything better.

Quote: Sooo... you'd rather have a relationship with David than with God?

I don't see why I can't have both.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6939 Location: Ohio

Hm..the whole "Because either there is no God, or God is an ***hole." Line gave me that impression. Regardless, most of what I say still applies.

Nism0 · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 14

Locke25 wrote: PrinceJunius wrote: EightyEight wrote: Why don't you tell us what happened.

I'd rather not. It has to do with homosexuality, and I'm just going to get the whole "GAYNESS IS A SIN!" spiel again.

how do you expect people to convince you to stay christian if you won't tell the problem in the first place?

The problem is solved, the problem was christianity and the bounds are broken. I am very sorry for what you have to live through Jenius. This is not you or Davids fault for being gay, it all those do not understand your love. I am not gay, I like most people don't see what you see in being gay, however I understand that you see something, and respect your right to do what feels right to you. What the pastor is doing trying brainwash david is wrong, youve done the right thing by removing yourself from hate filled so called loving individuals. It is not god fault that all of this happened, its the people who created god and spread his word of "love and acceptance for all" even though they condemn homosexuality. And if their right, and god does forgive you always, you've got nothing to worry about. Some people say god is testing you, I don't think so, life can be problematic, and its through tough times like this that you build your own strenth and character. Go it alone and you will loose you reliance on god and the church, you can become an indepentant person and you won't have to submit to "gods" rules.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 3963

God was clear enough for most Christians for them to make their decision. But that is besides the point. Although things like this are tests, they are also facts of life. God gave us free will. We can do what we want and think what we want. You used your free will to do some naughty things, your parents used theirs to punish you guys. Whether they are right or wrong in doing so makes no difference.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:

Quote: Go it alone and you will loose you reliance on god and the church, you can become an indepentant person and you won't have to submit to "gods" rules.

I like that. I'd be a much happier person if I followed through with that. Sometimes, I find that it is easier to be a good person without relying on God and religion so much. Religion, like politics, tends to corrupt what it touches. Thank you for that advice. Your whole paragraph made so much sense to me.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:00 am Post subject:

soldierofchrist wrote:
That's very selfish of you PJ. To dump all your problems on God like that. And maybe Jesus wasn't crystal clear about homosexuality not being sin, since you know, it IS a sin? You ever think that maybe the fact that your life is "miserable" is because it's all your fault? That your sins are catching up to you?

Thanks. This is exactly why I don't want to be a Christian anymore. Anytime I try to do anything pleasing to myself, it's always "You're being so selfish. This isn't God's fault." Well f**k God, and f**k Jesus. Thanks to God, I lost David, but I won't let him take any more things away from me. If God made me gay, than I'm going to be gay. Cause and effect, O wise deity!

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

PrinceJunius wrote: soldierofchrist wrote:
That's very selfish of you PJ. To dump all your problems on God like that. And maybe Jesus wasn't crystal clear about homosexuality not being sin, since you know, it IS a sin? You ever think that maybe the fact that your life is "miserable" is because it's all your fault? That your sins are catching up to you?

Thanks. This is exactly why I don't want to be a Christian anymore. Anytime I try to do anything pleasing to myself, it's always "You're being so selfish. This isn't God's fault." Well f**k God, and f**k Jesus. Thanks to God, I lost David, but I won't let him take any more things away from me. If God made me gay, than I'm going to be gay. Cause and effect, O wise deity!

Haha, oh was God the one *irresponsibly* fooling around with David? ..which resulted in you losing him?

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:

Locke25 wrote:

Haha, oh was God the one *irresponsibly* fooling around with David? ..which resulted in you losing him?

Oh, but if David was a girl, it would be, "Oh look at them, they're in love! That's so cute! You lovebirds need anything to eat?"

And we were not irresponsibly fooling around. We were only kissing.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6939 Location: Ohio

Okay, that makes this easier to answer. Honestly, I agree. I heavily doubt a straight couple would have this problem.

And, as a recommendation, you could probably ask one of your friends to relay a message-to perhaps talk to him on a messenger program.

KG · Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 152

Junius,

In my experiences God isn't good, and the Devil isn't bad. Insteed God is Right, and the devil is wrong. Now what is wrong is to give up on something you have held on to from the time you were born (since there was a crusifix in your room). What would be right is to realize that not everything you do is the right thing, and that you can change. In a way God is testing you emosionally and spiritually. Everyone, everywhere gets tested in their lives it's part of growing up. Those who can't deal with the pressure and give up are doomed. But even if you tore the crusifix off your wall and swore at God, you arn't past redemption, that's the beautiful thing about God, he will forgive you. But you must show him you want to be forgiving by gritting your teeth and fixing your troubles. Through this you will gain personal strength and will be worthy of redemption in the eyes of GOD.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

PrinceJunius wrote: Locke25 wrote:

Haha, oh was God the one *irresponsibly* fooling around with David? ..which resulted in you losing him?

Oh, but if David was a girl, it would be, "Oh look at them, they're in love! That's so cute! You lovebirds need anything to eat?"

And we were not irresponsibly fooling around. We were only kissing.

actually my parents would have been like "you're 13, stop kissing that boy."

but it still doesn't mean God is at fault for you losing David. that was your decisions that caused that..