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[Dr. Righteous]

Deus wrote: Dr. Righteous wrote: Quicksurf wrote: sherborne wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

I agree, but Stalin cooperated with us, and therefore he was not a problem. However, rest assured, American school history books talk about the evil of Stalin.

Why is it that when I was a kid in elementary school, all we learned about was Hitler's massive genocide attempt? Most of my class didn't even know who Stalin was until like 11th grade. Terrible. It's just an example of the left controlling the text books and cirriculum to rewrite history in order to praise their Communist heros like Stalin. Pretty soon, text books will teach kids that Bill Clinton saved the Constitution.

I´m having whats he´s smoking.

Hero of the left?

He isnt even a hero for the communist´s!



You would do well to actually fiure out who´s left, democrat and liberal.

Because tying it as the same thing is a sweeping generalisation that will not aid you in your further endevours into politics.

:roll:

[Duchifas]

Zoot wrote: Quote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

I hear far more people saying that than saying anything about "eradicating Jews". I think I was about 20 years old when I first heard that anti-Semitism is supposedly still around. I grew up thinking it was another word for "Nazism" and died with them, except for a few nutters.

Though, I'm from New Zealand. We're all nice down here.

You didn't hear about it because it doesn't pertain to you or because you don't want to hear. I also didn't hear anything about about the persecution of Falun Gong until I got along in years. But it is as real and as current as the desire to eradicate Jews.

[Duchifas]

Rizla wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

They are?
Or do you mean that a lot of people are talking about dismantaling the Zionist state of Israel?

I can honestly say with hand on heart, that I have never heard anybody of note ever suggest that Jews should be eradicated. If you have got the impression that antisemitism is rampant and we are heading towards another holocaust, then I really have to wonder what TV channels you are watching? - probably the some ones that keep harping on about the holocaust.

Now you can take your hand off your heart and admit the truth that the more politically correct rhetoric of dismantling the state of Israel is the same as eradicating Jews.

Everyone knows that Israel won't just dismantle itself one fine day. The only way to dismantle it is to eliminate those who are willing to defend it (i.e., vast majority of Israeli Jews). Ahmadinejad knows full well that Israel can't be "wiped out" unless 5 million Jews who live in it are wiped out too. So while the rhetoric changed to be more "politically correct," the idea is still the same old idea. Wipe out Israel really means wipe out Jews.

Now you can put your hand back on your heart, Rizla, and tell us how Ahmadinejad really doesn't mean what he says and nobody believes him, and everyone is really nice and cuddy in the Middle East.

[GTTofAK]

rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

You answered you own question. Because we now have 24/7 history channels. Duh.

[thebreadloaf2003]

personaly i think its the government having schools teach it to death (i have heard something about it every year for the last 3 years in history class) and then that plants the seed for later on in life for people to keep bringing it up.

Its a scheme to keep americans loyal to america because we won that war, so they try to downtrot germany and all the axis powers by emphasizing the horrible things they did such as the holocost. to break it down, its patriotizing through brainwashing.

oh my gosh, did i just make an attempt to reveal the governments true plans out loud!?!?!?!

[lowchen]

Simon De Montfort wrote: The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

Say who? You? well Im glad that you are the decision maker on who's pain gets elevated above others. Puhlease.......... :roll: :roll:

[Locke08]

Quote: and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?


the holocaust mainly comes up because it hasnt stopped
yugoslavia, america during WW2, and others have had concentration camps

it is a problem that did not end in 1945
ethnic cleansing, which is what the holocaust was really about, is a major factor in conflicts around the world today

[ozymandias]

rizla said
Quote: "Iranian leader wants to kill all the jews," i have never heard Iranian leader saying anything like that,

then that is only because you don't read newspapers, watch the news, read transcripts of speechs or read press releases from the UN. here are the links to the UN reactions, so that you have no chance to write off any reporting as zionist press, or similar.

1st press release-
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sc8576.doc.htm
2nd press release-
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sc8542.doc.htm

read up.

[Rizla]

ozymandias wrote: rizla said
Quote: "Iranian leader wants to kill all the jews," i have never heard Iranian leader saying anything like that,

then that is only because you don't read newspapers, watch the news, read transcripts of speechs or read press releases from the UN. here are the links to the UN reactions, so that you have no chance to write off any reporting as zionist press, or similar.

1st press release-
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sc8576.doc.htm
2nd press release-
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sc8542.doc.htm

read up.

Neither of which says he wants to kill all jews.

A little while ago there was an Israeli funded news organization which purposly mistranslated his speaches to make it seem he was saying some really nasty things, but that was propaganda.
You see, when you read transcripts od speaches, you gotta makesure those transcripts come from reliable sources. As for TV and news papers, they generally go with the translation which takes the least work for them, and makes the best headlines. worth remembering!

[Rizla]

Duchifas wrote: Rizla wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

They are?
Or do you mean that a lot of people are talking about dismantaling the Zionist state of Israel?

I can honestly say with hand on heart, that I have never heard anybody of note ever suggest that Jews should be eradicated. If you have got the impression that antisemitism is rampant and we are heading towards another holocaust, then I really have to wonder what TV channels you are watching? - probably the some ones that keep harping on about the holocaust.

Now you can take your hand off your heart and admit the truth that the more politically correct rhetoric of dismantling the state of Israel is the same as eradicating Jews.

Everyone knows that Israel won't just dismantle itself one fine day. The only way to dismantle it is to eliminate those who are willing to defend it (i.e., vast majority of Israeli Jews). Ahmadinejad knows full well that Israel can't be "wiped out" unless 5 million Jews who live in it are wiped out too. So while the rhetoric changed to be more "politically correct," the idea is still the same old idea. Wipe out Israel really means wipe out Jews.

Now you can put your hand back on your heart, Rizla, and tell us how Ahmadinejad really doesn't mean what he says and nobody believes him, and everyone is really nice and cuddy in the Middle East.

Nonsense.
Besides, the state if Israel isn't even a majority of Jews worldwide. So even if somebody was talking about murdering all Israelis, this wouldn't equate to eradication of the Jews.

Israel many not dismantle it's self, but it will doubtless fall appart. No doubt transportation will be provided, probably under UN protection.
so don't worry you will be allowed safe passage to some place like Florida.

[programmusic]

more jews live in israel now then anywhere else

[Quicksurf]

Dr. Righteous wrote: Quicksurf wrote: sherborne wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

I agree, but Stalin cooperated with us, and therefore he was not a problem. However, rest assured, American school history books talk about the evil of Stalin.

Why is it that when I was a kid in elementary school, all we learned about was Hitler's massive genocide attempt? Most of my class didn't even know who Stalin was until like 11th grade. Terrible. It's just an example of the left controlling the text books and cirriculum to rewrite history in order to praise their Communist heros like Stalin. Pretty soon, text books will teach kids that Bill Clinton saved the Constitution.

:lol:

[Quicksurf]

thebreadloaf2003 wrote: personaly i think its the government having schools teach it to death (i have heard something about it every year for the last 3 years in history class) and then that plants the seed for later on in life for people to keep bringing it up.

Its a scheme to keep americans loyal to america because we won that war, so they try to downtrot germany and all the axis powers by emphasizing the horrible things they did such as the holocost. to break it down, its patriotizing through brainwashing.

oh my gosh, did i just make an attempt to reveal the governments true plans out loud!?!?!?!

:koo: :lol: The crazy people that reside on this forum...

[SaintLucifer]

rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

What about me? I do not deny the Jews were sent to concentration camps but what I DO deny are the numbers. There is no way 6 MILLION Jews were sent to concentration camps where they died. Can you imagine the sheer logistics involved with such an operation? Does anyone honestly think the Nazis had the time or the inclination to seek out 6 million Jews, round them up and transport them to concentration camps? Please. Surely many Jews were killed of that there is absolutely no doubt but nowhere near 6 million. Germany never even had that many Jews ever. The numbers have been inflated as a means of ensuring no one forgets which seems to be working wonderfully. I state again for the record, there is no way 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camp. I would not even venture a guess as to how many were actually killed but when I hear or see a number like 6 million, I laugh hysterically. I have read somewhere that even the Soviets deny this to be true and that it is all propaganda.

[Tepic]

rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up
I'm not supposed to bring it up, but they keep on denying it... what?

But anyone who knows anything about history knows that it's fake. I mean history. All of it. Make up a tragedy for sympathy. Not just the Holocaust, but most of WWII, WWI, the Irish Potato famine, the Spanish Inquisition, yada yada yada. The black death? I mean, please, 'black death'? Sooo obviously a made up name! And the Iraq war? They're faking it right now! The technology's better these days so journalists expect near realtime rendering, but our computers are up to it. Special effects.

It's all just special effects, dude. :lol:

We will now return to your normally scheduled reading. :wink:

I think current genocides should get more focus. I also think that idiots like David Irving just keep on digging up the Holocaust and saying "look! It doesn't exist! I'm so clever! Jews are evil!" when they could be doing something useful like researching current genocides. The Holocaust is more the biggest genocide in the West of the 20th century than the biggest genocide in general (Stalin, Mao, cough cough) but running around denying it just gives it more attention...

[Spider]

SaintLucifer wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

What about me? I do not deny the Jews were sent to concentration camps but what I DO deny are the numbers. There is no way 6 MILLION Jews were sent to concentration camps where they died. Can you imagine the sheer logistics involved with such an operation? Does anyone honestly think the Nazis had the time or the inclination to seek out 6 million Jews, round them up and transport them to concentration camps? Please. Surely many Jews were killed of that there is absolutely no doubt but nowhere near 6 million. Germany never even had that many Jews ever. The numbers have been inflated as a means of ensuring no one forgets which seems to be working wonderfully. I state again for the record, there is no way 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camp. I would not even venture a guess as to how many were actually killed but when I hear or see a number like 6 million, I laugh hysterically. I have read somewhere that even the Soviets deny this to be true and that it is all propaganda.

Stlucifer, your stupidity...my god, wow. I can't even...wow. Give me a mintue...wow.

Actually on second thought, why bother. No way am I breaking through that force field. Too bad theres not word in the english language that can describe ignorant/self-deluding/deeply stupid/etc all at once. Ask yourself why. Why allow your mind to do this to yourself, and then feel compelled to spew it out at other people? People like you are representative of all that is bad about humanity, and the fact that you continue to exist without withering under the hatred of all those around you brings me to question the infallability of God, if you believe in the whole religion thing.

Oh yea, and btw, this whole forum your looking at...this is all a huge conspiracy to screw with your mind. We are all actually people from the govt, and we want you in our labs. And ya, moonlanding, holocaust, WW2, invasion of the middle east, I totally agree! All FAKE!!! yep!

[cup2006Sens]

SaintLucifer wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

What about me? I do not deny the Jews were sent to concentration camps but what I DO deny are the numbers. There is no way 6 MILLION Jews were sent to concentration camps where they died. Can you imagine the sheer logistics involved with such an operation? Does anyone honestly think the Nazis had the time or the inclination to seek out 6 million Jews, round them up and transport them to concentration camps? Please. Surely many Jews were killed of that there is absolutely no doubt but nowhere near 6 million. Germany never even had that many Jews ever. The numbers have been inflated as a means of ensuring no one forgets which seems to be working wonderfully. I state again for the record, there is no way 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camp. I would not even venture a guess as to how many were actually killed but when I hear or see a number like 6 million, I laugh hysterically. I have read somewhere that even the Soviets deny this to be true and that it is all propaganda.

Wow am I embarrassed that you are from Canada. Yes most of the Jews wern't in Germany. They were in Poland and other parts of Europe. The Germans controlled pretty much all of Europe. And there were millions more above the 6 million that weren't Jewish. Like 9 million people or more that were exterminated in Concentration camps. It happened over a prolonged period maybe 9, maybe 10, maybe 11. It ended in 1945.

That is only 61 years ago. 61 years is not a very long time. Germany the most developed country in the world in the 1920's. A country that despite war reparations payments had medicare and old age pensions and that probably had more social services than even Britain or the UK. That had the best science in the world. That was a free democracy, that had minorities living in it unhindered, that had homosexual areas in it's major cities that were not discouraged or cracked down on.

They regressed to the most brute barbarianism imaginable. Good normal people fell prey to a madman and his henchmen and hundreds of thousands, even millions of Germans participated in the extermination of millions and millions of people out of pure hatred. There was no economic benefit of concentration camps they actually drained resources from the war effort.

The saddest thing that has happened in the last hundred years and a lesson to anyone in a 'liberal democracy' that any country can slip into sheer barbarism.

[lilrascal]

rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

Quite simple. Jewish media moguls own a large majority of news outlets. They form opinions, and finance campaigns. This is why I dont pay attention to the mainstream media. It is a monopoly of ideas....plain and simple.

They are able to do this by using Christian/gentile guilt to bend spineless white politicians to their will.

If I get banned from this sight because of mentioning this in this post that will only make me a martyr.

[lilrascal]

cup2006Sens wrote: SaintLucifer wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

What about me? I do not deny the Jews were sent to concentration camps but what I DO deny are the numbers. There is no way 6 MILLION Jews were sent to concentration camps where they died. Can you imagine the sheer logistics involved with such an operation? Does anyone honestly think the Nazis had the time or the inclination to seek out 6 million Jews, round them up and transport them to concentration camps? Please. Surely many Jews were killed of that there is absolutely no doubt but nowhere near 6 million. Germany never even had that many Jews ever. The numbers have been inflated as a means of ensuring no one forgets which seems to be working wonderfully. I state again for the record, there is no way 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camp. I would not even venture a guess as to how many were actually killed but when I hear or see a number like 6 million, I laugh hysterically. I have read somewhere that even the Soviets deny this to be true and that it is all propaganda.

Wow am I embarrassed that you are from Canada. Yes most of the Jews wern't in Germany. They were in Poland and other parts of Europe. The Germans controlled pretty much all of Europe. And there were millions more above the 6 million that weren't Jewish. Like 9 million people or more that were exterminated in Concentration camps. It happened over a prolonged period maybe 9, maybe 10, maybe 11. It ended in 1945.

That is only 61 years ago. 61 years is not a very long time. Germany the most developed country in the world in the 1920's. A country that despite war reparations payments had medicare and old age pensions and that probably had more social services than even Britain or the UK. That had the best science in the world. That was a free democracy, that had minorities living in it unhindered, that had homosexual areas in it's major cities that were not discouraged or cracked down on.

They regressed to the most brute barbarianism imaginable. Good normal people fell prey to a madman and his henchmen and hundreds of thousands, even millions of Germans participated in the extermination of millions and millions of people out of pure hatred. There was no economic benefit of concentration camps they actually drained resources from the war effort.

The saddest thing that has happened in the last hundred years and a lesson to anyone in a 'liberal democracy' that any country can slip into sheer barbarism.

What really astonishes me, is that you take this all as unquestionable fact when the "victims" own all avenues of information exchange.

I want to know if there is a reason a book gets banned if it says otherwise.....you obviously dont care that there is a POSSIBILITY the wool is being pulled over your eyes.

[satirecafe]

don't you mean 60 years later?