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[rytis]

im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

[cap'n queasy]

Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

[Zoot]

Quote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

I hear far more people saying that than saying anything about "eradicating Jews". I think I was about 20 years old when I first heard that anti-Semitism is supposedly still around. I grew up thinking it was another word for "Nazism" and died with them, except for a few nutters.

Though, I'm from New Zealand. We're all nice down here.

Except about Asians immigrants and Maoris and Pacific Islanders.

Anyway, the Nazi Holocaust isn't just about Jewish people. Gypsies, homosexuals, anarchists, communists, etc., were also murdered en masse. It remains one of the worst crimes committed in the history of mankind. What does bother me is that other large-scale massacres are ignored, such as the US-backed massacre of the PKI by Suharto. Nobody's making movies about these. No one was calling Saddam Hussein "the Suharto of the Middle East" or whatever.

[Il Principe]

Funnily enough "they" only started "bringing it up" during the late 60's.

[Simon De Montfort]

Il Principe wrote: Funnily enough "they" only started "bringing it up" during the late 60's.

I didn't know the Nuremburg trials were in the late 60's?!?!?!? :roll:

[Simon De Montfort]

rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

[Rankor and Pissing]

There's a few different reasons...

One was identified - which is not to forget and not to repeat these mistakes. Another reason is that antisemitism is gaining acceptibility throughout the world with public opinion. I may not want to go as far to say as, "it's shiek to be an antisemite", but it's certainly becoming more accepted socially and culturally.

In a very obtuse sense, I've been parts of discussions here on these boards with Europeans who minimize a lot of history and apparently were taught that minimization - such as American invovement in conflicts, effects of that invovement, if the holocaust was "as bad as portrayed" or if it occured at all.

I find the revisionist history effect actually coming from country's who may actually WANT to minimize it as it doesn't reflect well upon them. It certainly lends itself to "motive" for wanting to minimize the bad history.

[Jehan]

Simon De Montfort wrote: The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

What about the s**t Stalin pulled? Declassified Soviet documents show he may have killed 40 million people.

[Simon De Montfort]

Jehan wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

What about the s**t Stalin pulled? Declassified Soviet documents show he may have killed 40 million people.

IMO the Holocaust was worse because of the systematic way the Nazis killed every man, woman and child they could. And I think the Nazi death toll would have been several time higher had they been in power longer.

I'm not giving Stalin a pass. He was one evil bastard.

[rytis]

Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

rytis wrote: and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

[Simon De Montfort]

rytis wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

rytis wrote: and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

I already read that once it didn't need to be reposted. I contend that the causes aren't as important because people won't agree as to what they are. However, what actually happened in the Holocaust isn't debateable so that's why people focus on it.

[Rizla]

cap'n queasy wrote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

They are?
Or do you mean that a lot of people are talking about dismantaling the Zionist state of Israel?

I can honestly say with hand on heart, that I have never heard anybody of note ever suggest that Jews should be eradicated. If you have got the impression that antisemitism is rampant and we are heading towards another holocaust, then I really have to wonder what TV channels you are watching? - probably the some ones that keep harping on about the holocaust.

[Saracen]

Zoot wrote: Quote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

I hear far more people saying that than saying anything about "eradicating Jews". I think I was about 20 years old when I first heard that anti-Semitism is supposedly still around. I grew up thinking it was another word for "Nazism" and died with them, except for a few nutters.

Though, I'm from New Zealand. We're all nice down here.

Except about Asians immigrants and Maoris and Pacific Islanders.

Anyway, the Nazi Holocaust isn't just about Jewish people. Gypsies, homosexuals, anarchists, communists, etc., were also murdered en masse. It remains one of the worst crimes committed in the history of mankind. What does bother me is that other large-scale massacres are ignored, such as the US-backed massacre of the PKI by Suharto. Nobody's making movies about these. No one was calling Saddam Hussein "the Suharto of the Middle East" or whatever.

Indeed, Zoot. In fact, we're also missing on the fact that other massacres such as those in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War, Shah Pahlevi's purges, the massacre you mentioned, and others that go forgotten in today's media.

Jehan wrote: What about the s**t Stalin pulled? Declassified Soviet documents show he may have killed 40 million people

That, too..

[Saracen]

Rizla wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

They are?
Or do you mean that a lot of people are talking about dismantaling the Zionist state of Israel?

I can honestly say with hand on heart, that I have never heard anybody of note ever suggest that Jews should be eradicated. If you have got the impression that antisemitism is rampant and we are heading towards another holocaust, then I really have to wonder what TV channels you are watching? - probably the some ones that keep harping on about the holocaust.

The way I see it, if the Islamophobia rises today onwards, we might have a bigger holocaust. God, I hope not. +p

[rytis]

Saracen wrote: Rizla wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Possibly because a lot of people in the world are constantly talking about eradicating Jews.

They are?
Or do you mean that a lot of people are talking about dismantaling the Zionist state of Israel?

I can honestly say with hand on heart, that I have never heard anybody of note ever suggest that Jews should be eradicated. If you have got the impression that antisemitism is rampant and we are heading towards another holocaust, then I really have to wonder what TV channels you are watching? - probably the some ones that keep harping on about the holocaust.

The way I see it, if the Islamophobia rises today onwards, we might have a bigger holocaust. God, I hope not. +p
so it seems if you're watching media controlled by zionists "Iranian leader wants to kill all the jews," i have never heard Iranian leader saying anything like that, maybe the ruling class who benefit from tearing down of settlements, control media to push all the bs, but not the people, no one would kill ordinary people any more then US are doing in Iraq, it would be a regime change a threat to those who control media

[Quicksurf]

Il Principe wrote: Funnily enough "they" only started "bringing it up" during the late 60's.

:-| What about the Nuremburg trials? (Pardon the spelling)

[sherborne]

Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

[Quicksurf]

sherborne wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

I agree, but Stalin cooperated with us, and therefore he was not a problem. However, rest assured, American school history books talk about the evil of Stalin.

[Dr. Righteous]

Quicksurf wrote: sherborne wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

I agree, but Stalin cooperated with us, and therefore he was not a problem. However, rest assured, American school history books talk about the evil of Stalin.

Why is it that when I was a kid in elementary school, all we learned about was Hitler's massive genocide attempt? Most of my class didn't even know who Stalin was until like 11th grade. Terrible. It's just an example of the left controlling the text books and cirriculum to rewrite history in order to praise their Communist heros like Stalin. Pretty soon, text books will teach kids that Bill Clinton saved the Constitution.

[Deus]

Dr. Righteous wrote: Quicksurf wrote: sherborne wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: rytis wrote: im supposed to not deny it, but they keep bringing it up

i talked about it (as so many) i was called racist for denying it/questioning it, so i decided to forget it, (you havent seen me on this board last week or more) and here they are on these history channels NON STOP...

and i wonder: is it because
1. people are really interested in seeing this misery?
2. to remind not to repeat the same mistakes?

i realy, REALY doubt that #1. people are interested in seeing this, and i really doubt that it is shown for reason #2. (not to repeat the same mistakes), because if that would have been the motive all along, the emphasis would have been on what caused this in the first place, analyzing all the details,

so this brings me to another possibility which kinda sticks: 1. we already know that jews have large influence on the media (all the "talented jewish comedians and actors"). and continnuing to talk about this creates an atmosphere where to even speak out against them seems to be racism: senators have been called racist anti-semites for mentioning a largest jewish lobby controlling a senate. coinsidentally Hitler also talked about this and so does the Iranian leader now, but this is not mentioned.

The Holocaust was the most horrible crime of the 20th century. We need constant reminders of it so we never forget that humans are capable of that kind of evil.

One reason it gets so much play here in America over other genocides is we were at war with the Holocaust perpetrators, we liberated concentration camps and we prosecuted Holocaust perpetrators. Jewish influence over our media may have something do to with it but America's role in putting an end to it has more to do with its constant play.

Nah Stalins purges were worse man. Just in sheer volume if not for anything. More than triple the amount of people were killed in the purges. That therefore makes them worse. Yet they dont recieve te same media covergage. IMO thats because of their nature: Stalin shot his victims, Hitler gassed his on an industrail scale.

I agree, but Stalin cooperated with us, and therefore he was not a problem. However, rest assured, American school history books talk about the evil of Stalin.

Why is it that when I was a kid in elementary school, all we learned about was Hitler's massive genocide attempt? Most of my class didn't even know who Stalin was until like 11th grade. Terrible. It's just an example of the left controlling the text books and cirriculum to rewrite history in order to praise their Communist heros like Stalin. Pretty soon, text books will teach kids that Bill Clinton saved the Constitution.

I´m having whats he´s smoking.

Hero of the left?

He isnt even a hero for the communist´s!



You would do well to actually fiure out who´s left, democrat and liberal.

Because tying it as the same thing is a sweeping generalisation that will not aid you in your further endevours into politics.