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Saul/Paul Follies

Quote: I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.
2 Corinthians 11:1
Quote: If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
2 Corinthians 5:13
Quote: Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this) I am more.
2 Corinthians 11:23
Quote: I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it.
2 Corinthians 12:11

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The Bible On Child Killing/Abuse

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Quote: And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive?...Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman...But all the women children...keep alive for yourselves.
Numbers 31:14, 17, 18
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Quote: But the king {David} took the two sons of Rizpah...and the five sons of Michal...and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest...And after that God was intreated for the land.
2 Samuel 21:8-14
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Quote: O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Psalm 137:8-9
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Quote: Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy,...and they shall be your possession...they shall be your bondmen forever.
Leviticus 25:45-46
....but this scripture merges child abuse with endorsement of slavery, for which there's a separate section.
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Quote: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
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Quote: And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering...And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child;...And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed.
Judges 11:30-39

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The Bible On Slavery
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We now begin with the crossover scripture cited under Child Abuse--
Quote: Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy,...and they shall be your possession...they shall be your bondmen forever.

Leviticus 25:45-46
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Quote: If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing...And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Exodus 21:2,7
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Quote: And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Joel 3:8
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Quote: And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female,then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
Leviticus 27:1-7
Right-To-Lifers, take note--the Lord has zero value for anybody under one month old.
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Quote: And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.
Luke 12:47-48
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God himself sells people into sin:
Quote: We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
Romans 7:14
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Nor do you have a choice in the matter:
Quote: ...So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7:25
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Quote: Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
What I'd like to know is whom he paid off for this purchase.
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The following line contradicts other of Paul's edicts that one should, if a slave to a man, continue to be a credit to one's master:
Quote: You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.
1 Corinthians 7:23
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Quote: Slaves, obey your human masters, with fear and tremblng; and do it with a sincere heart, as though you were serving Christ.
Ephesians 6:5
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Quote: Servants, obey in all things your masters.
Colossians 3:22
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Quote: Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a master in heaven.
Colossians 4:1
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Quote: All who are slaves consider their masters worthy of all respect, so that no one will speak evil of the name of God and of our teaching. Slaves belonging to masters who are believers must not despise them because they are brothers. Instead, they are to serve them even better, because those who benefit from their work are believers whom they love.
1 Timothy 6:1-2
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Quote: Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God, our Savior attractive.
Titus 2:9-10
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Quote: Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:16-18
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Quote: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Romans 6:22
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Quote: We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I wan tto do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
Romans 7:14-16
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Quote: Slaves, submit to your masters with all respect, not only to those who aer good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God.
1 Peter 2:18-19

Now don't hand me no rot about the business of slave to sin, slave to whatever ephemeral because the important part about those lines of scripture is that NOWHERE is Man Endowed with Inalienable Rights by either God or Jesus. He buys you, he sells you into sin, you're a slave to God or a slave to sin you're a slave, period. Regardless of the case, you have no Inalienable Rights.

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The Bible On Sex
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Quote: If any man take a wife, and go in unto her...and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die...
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
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Quote: And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives. And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech.
Judges 8:30-31
Notice--after intercoursing all those women, none produced a single daughter. Per archaeologists, killing female babies was common practice at the time. Take notes, Right-To-Lifers. Gideon also lived with a youth name Jether, and was still regarded as single--the thing that inspired Paul. Hah--I don't doubt it: all those wimmin and still single. The Orignial Playboy. But not to be out-done--
Quote: But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites ... And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.
I Kings 11:1-3
That should mean that no Christian should speculate about any sort of relations between Jesus & the Magdalene, because scripture says itsef, of Jesus:
Quote: a greater than Solomon is here.
Luke 11:31
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Do you think that the Commandment prohibiting adultery pertains to men and women equally? Can't tell it by Gideon or Solomon. Adultery is what a woman is guilty of. Usually. Rapists, on the other hand--
Quote: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of the city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
...but the woman gets the axe too. Get raped and it's just as much the woman's fault as the guy. Very similar to the way our courts look at it today. And it's scripture like this whereby Muslims keep women in beekeeper zuitsuits, not allowing them to go out of the house without a male escort. Another example of how Muslims take the Bible more seriously than Christians.
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Quote: When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
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Quote: Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions.
Ezekiel 23:20- 21
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Quote: He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 23:1-2

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Biblical Moralities
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Quote: Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover {archaic for "lay bare"} their secret parts.
Isaiah 3:16-17
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Quote: Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
Leviticus 11:22
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I've made repeated reference to the following scripture when disucssing this reputed "Creator" because the creations he describes here don't biologically match up with the biological construct of the rabbit and hare we have on this planet:
Quote: And the coney {archaic term for rabbit, as in Coney Island}, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare...he is unclean unto you.
...and equally odd...
Quote: And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, And the vulture . . . And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Leviticus 11:13-19---see also Deuteronomy 14:11-20

On this planet, neither rabbit nor hare chew cud (stomach regurgitation) Oddly enough, the cow does, and I have yet to meet either Jew or Muslim that avoids beef. They BOTH avoid pork, but pigs don't chew cud either--
Quote: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Leviticus 11:7
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The spoils of war demanded by God when the Midianites were defeated:
Quote: And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught. was 675,000 sheep, And 72,000 beeves, And 61,000 asses, And 32,000 persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him...of which the Lord's tribute was 32 persons. And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Numbers 31:32-41
"As the LORD commanded" Moses---yeah, I'm so sure---riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Saul/Paul treats this as if it was a tenth-of-booty sort of tithe in Hebrews 7 regarding Abraham's plunder gift to Melchizedek:
Quote: Now the law requires the decendents of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are decended from Abraham. This man [Melchizedek], however, did not trace his decent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Hebrews 7:6
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Quote: And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 2:3
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Quote: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Isaiah 45:7
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Quote: Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

1Kings 22:23
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Quote: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

2Thessalonians 2:11
Reminds me of a number of self-styled preachers.

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Biblical Family Values
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Quote: Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.
1Samuel 18:27
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Quote: When he saw her, he thought her to be a harlot, for she had covered her face. He went over to her at the road side and said "Come, Let me come into you" for he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law. She said, "What will you give me, that you may come into me?" He answered, "I will send you a kid from the flock." And she said "Will you send me a pledge till you send it?" He said, "What pledge shall I give you?" She replied "Your signal and your cord and your staff that is in your hand." So he gave them to her, and went into her, and she conceived by him. About three months later, Judah was told, "Tamar your daughter-in-law has played the harlot, and moreover she is with child by harlotry.
Genesis 38:15
Betcha Judah wasn't the one who caught hell for okaying the going unto a harlot, either.
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Quote: They have rejected the word of the Lord. Therefore I will give their wives unto others.
Jeremiah 8:9

You know, I hear so much crap from preachers about how immoral the OT guys were and how the OT was supposed to have fixed all that, but when you actually read what's in The Bible, you see how much the Lord himself participates in those immoralities.

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Biblical Oddities
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In the previous post on Biblical Moralities is a section about eating bugs. The scripture cited above was prefaced with this oddity:
Quote: Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Leviticus 11:21
Once again, the world that God created proven to not be this one--our bugs have more than 4 legs. And further proof that the God of the Bible created a world that is NOT ours--
Quote: And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
Genesis 30:39
Guess what--our snakes don't eat dust, either--
Quote: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Genesis 3:14
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Quote: And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19
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Quote: And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean....But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks...
Leviticus 12:1-5
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It's a remarkable oddity that Paul quotes scripture that is nowhere to be found anywhere in The Bible, as he did in Acts 20:35. Scholars call these citations of nonexistant scriptures "agrapha".
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I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshippers there. But exclude the outer court: do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample the holy city for 42 months.

Revelation 11:1-2
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Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not... They are altogether brutish and foolish.

Jeremiah 10:2-8
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Did you know that heaven is supported by pillars?
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The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

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The Biblical "Ten Commandments"
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There are actually 3 versions in the OT, and a 4th in the NT.

Exodus 20:2-17, is the set used by Protestants and Catholics. However, these are NOT exclusively such, and definitely were NOT the set that was carved into any stereotypical stone tablets.

The commandments listed in Exodus 20:2-17 were recited, not written, and certainly NOT in the book as "The Ten Commandments". This term is absent in all but the most recent editions of concordances.

It was after this set was verbally delivered that the first set of stone tablets were handed to Moses (Exodus 31:18 ) and these were the ones that Moses destroyed when he saw his people worshipping the golden calf (and archaeologists have established that this calf idol of Baal was a god of the storm, not by any means the most powerful god in the Sumerian-related pagan systems of belief)(Exodus 32:19).

He gets a replacement and is told "Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Exodus 34:1), but God apparently forgot all about the Commandments in Exodus 20:2-17 because this is what God wrote on the replacement tablets--

"And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten
commandments." (Exodus 34:28 )

1) Thou shalt worship no other God.
2) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
5) Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
6) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God.
7) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8 ) Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9) The first of the firstfruits of thy land shalt thou bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10) Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

That tenth one is the official last commandment--it's requoted in Exodus 34:26 is the official tenth one.

Even Jesus wasn't sure about the commandments either.. In Matthew 19:18-19 he listed them as:
1) Thou shalt do no murder
2) Thou shalt not commit adultery
3) Thou shalt not steal
4) Thou shalt not bear false witness
5) Honour thy father and thy mother
6) Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
He's also on record as having handed out new commandments.

Not even ten in that list, even when you count the one about worshipping only the one God as assumed. Observing the sabbath or one holy day as the seventh day is totally out in the cold, bolstered by this verse:
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One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Romans 14:5
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What the neocon republitory won't tell you is that God commanded penalties for breaking commandments:

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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Isaiah 45:7
Keep Holy The Sabbath Day
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Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an
holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whoseoever doeth work therein shall
be put to death. Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the
sabbath day.

Exodus 35:2

People, now isn't it strange that all these evangelists who claim to be under a new covenant still cling to the Old Testament Ten Commandments, and then "forget" to tell you what God said the penalty was for breaking 'em? Look at the picture of the woman being prepared for stoning, and see that Muslims remember what God ordered. Hypocrite liar evangelists don't tell you the rest of the Ten Commandments story.

I Am The Lord Thy God; Thou Shalt Worship No Other Gods Before Me.
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For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous,
is a jealous God.

Exodus 34:14
Honor Thy Father And Thy Mother.
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If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
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And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:17
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For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he that cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Leviticus 20:9

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultry.

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If any man take a wife, and go in unto her...and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die...

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

MOORE'S FOLLY

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10 BIBLICAL WAYS TO GET A WIFE

(Sorry, ladies, the Bible doesn't say much about getting a husband, perhaps because they are so easy to come by.)

1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours. (Deuteronomy 21:10-13)

2. Find a prostitute and marry her. (Hosea 1:1-30)

3. Buy property and get women thrown in as part of the deal. (Boaz in Ruth 4:5-10)

4. Go to a party and hide. When the women start to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife. Benjamites in Judges 21:19-25

5. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. (Adam in Genesis 2:19-24)

6. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in marriage. Then get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That's right, 14 years of toil for the Mrs. Right. (Jacob in Genesis 9:15-30)

7. Cut 200 foreskins off your future father-in-law's enemies and get his daughter for a wife as a reward. (David in 1 Samuel 18:27)

8. Become ruler of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest. (Xerxes in Esther 2:3-23)

9. Wait for your brother to die and then take his widow. (Onan in Genesis 39:8)

10. Don't be picky. Make up for quality with quantity. (Solomon I Kings 11-3)

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God The Deceiver
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Quote: His disciples asked him what this parable meant. He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that "though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they many not understand."
Luke 8:9-10, citing Isaiah 6:9

Quote: Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the lord been revealed?" For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere, "He has blinded their eyes, and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes nor understand with their hearts, nor turn, and I would heal them." I saiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
John 12:37-41, citing Isaiah 55:1 and 6:10

Quote: Crafty felllow that I am, I caught you by trickery!
2 Cor 12:16

Quote: Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
Romans 1:24-28

Quote: ...but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone". As it is written, "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble, and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame".
Romans 9:31-33, citing Isaiah 8:14 and Isaiah 28:16

Quote: What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see, and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day". And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and teir bacvks be bent forever."
Romans 11:7-10, citing Isaiah 29:19 and Deuteronomy 29:4

Quote: The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved. [b]For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie, and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thess 2:9-12

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Clara Listensprechen wrote: Saul/Paul Follies

Quote: I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.
2 Corinthians 11:1
Quote: If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
2 Corinthians 5:13
Quote: Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this) I am more.
2 Corinthians 11:23
Quote: I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it.
2 Corinthians 12:11

Actually, I wonder which came first? Or who wrote 2 Corinthians? But I do believe if one reads the Gospel of Mark, they'd be very quick to notice only the crazy people knew who Jesus was. Even his own family thought, eh' was f-nuts. :? Which is a little different from how the other gospels presented it. Could the speaker in the passages have been bi-polar?

[sLiPpY]

Clara Listensprechen wrote: 10 BIBLICAL WAYS TO GET A WIFE

(Sorry, ladies, the Bible doesn't say much about getting a husband, perhaps because they are so easy to come by.)

1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours. (Deuteronomy 21:10-13)

2. Find a prostitute and marry her. (Hosea 1:1-30)

3. Buy property and get women thrown in as part of the deal. (Boaz in Ruth 4:5-10)

4. Go to a party and hide. When the women start to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife. Benjamites in Judges 21:19-25

5. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. (Adam in Genesis 2:19-24)

6. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in marriage. Then get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That's right, 14 years of toil for the Mrs. Right. (Jacob in Genesis 9:15-30)

7. Cut 200 foreskins off your future father-in-law's enemies and get his daughter for a wife as a reward. (David in 1 Samuel 18:27)

8. Become ruler of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest. (Xerxes in Esther 2:3-23)

9. Wait for your brother to die and then take his widow. (Onan in Genesis 39:8)

10. Don't be picky. Make up for quality with quantity. (Solomon I Kings 11-3)

I love those, but does the Bible address the appropriate manner in which to dispose of one? :P

[Clara Listensprechen]

sLiPpY wrote: Clara Listensprechen wrote: Saul/Paul Follies

Quote: I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.
2 Corinthians 11:1
Quote: If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
2 Corinthians 5:13
Quote: Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this) I am more.
2 Corinthians 11:23
Quote: I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it.
2 Corinthians 12:11

Actually, I wonder which came first? Or who wrote 2 Corinthians? But I do believe if one reads the Gospel of Mark, they'd be very quick to notice only the crazy people knew who Jesus was. Even his own family thought, eh' was f-nuts. :? Which is a little different from how the other gospels presented it. Could the speaker in the passages have been bi-polar?
Or a victim of Roman plumbing. The word "PLUMBing" is similar to the word PLUMBago where the former refers to pipes made of lead and the latter refers to graphite, aka "pencil lead". Chemical symbol for lead is Pb, and, that being said, I submit that there's a high possibility that the dementia was due to lead poisoning.

[Clara Listensprechen]

sLiPpY wrote: Clara Listensprechen wrote: 10 BIBLICAL WAYS TO GET A WIFE

(Sorry, ladies, the Bible doesn't say much about getting a husband, perhaps because they are so easy to come by.)

1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours. (Deuteronomy 21:10-13)

2. Find a prostitute and marry her. (Hosea 1:1-30)

3. Buy property and get women thrown in as part of the deal. (Boaz in Ruth 4:5-10)

4. Go to a party and hide. When the women start to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife. Benjamites in Judges 21:19-25

5. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. (Adam in Genesis 2:19-24)

6. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in marriage. Then get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That's right, 14 years of toil for the Mrs. Right. (Jacob in Genesis 9:15-30)

7. Cut 200 foreskins off your future father-in-law's enemies and get his daughter for a wife as a reward. (David in 1 Samuel 18:27)

8. Become ruler of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest. (Xerxes in Esther 2:3-23)

9. Wait for your brother to die and then take his widow. (Onan in Genesis 39:8)

10. Don't be picky. Make up for quality with quantity. (Solomon I Kings 11-3)

I love those, but does the Bible address the appropriate manner in which to dispose of one? :P

As a matter of fact, it does, and Jesus refers to it when addressing the matter of divorce. Jesus is on record as pointing out that despite the commandment against adultery, Moses nonetheless issued certificates of divorce for men who wished to put their wives aside, and Moses authorized the breakage of that commandment because of hard hearts.

[sLiPpY]

Clara Listensprechen wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Clara Listensprechen wrote: Saul/Paul Follies

Quote: I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.
2 Corinthians 11:1
Quote: If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
2 Corinthians 5:13
Quote: Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this) I am more.
2 Corinthians 11:23
Quote: I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it.
2 Corinthians 12:11

Actually, I wonder which came first? Or who wrote 2 Corinthians? But I do believe if one reads the Gospel of Mark, they'd be very quick to notice only the crazy people knew who Jesus was. Even his own family thought, eh' was f-nuts. :? Which is a little different from how the other gospels presented it. Could the speaker in the passages have been bi-polar?
Or a victim of Roman plumbing. The word "PLUMBing" is similar to the word PLUMBago where the former refers to pipes made of lead and the latter refers to graphite, aka "pencil lead". Chemical symbol for lead is Pb, and, that being said, I submit that there's a high possibility that the dementia was due to lead poisoning.

What a terrifically intriguing reply. :think: Dementia would seem to explain a lot. Makes me wonder if Bach went both deaf and loopy?

[EugenicHegemony]

Moses was a militant war mongering general.

[Clara Listensprechen]

Word up is that this is the substance that made him a "genius". That superb arteestes are also on some kind of mind-altering substance is no accident. Famous past arteests were mostly absinthe imbibers, and sometimes mixed that with a poppy product.

[Clara Listensprechen]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Moses was a militant war mongering general.

And one that evades archaeological proof of existing, as it happens. Archaeology has shown that there was a story similar to that of Moses that was recorded about a tribe called the Hyksos. There was no Hebrew captivity in Egyptian record but there WAS record about an Egyptian quarrantining of the Hyksos, who were severely aflicted with leprosy. They got out of quarrantine and wound up ruling Egypt for a brief period. Curiously enough, Saul/Paul makes a vague reference to a period of Hebrew history involving leprosy. I forget which Epistle, tho--will have to re-research that.

[psholtz]

Clara Listensprechen wrote: Curiously enough, Saul/Paul makes a vague reference to a period of Hebrew history involving leprosy. I forget which Epistle, tho--will have to re-research that.
That's quite interesting..

I'd be interested in knowing which Epistle that is..

[Clara Listensprechen]

I've looked thru my notes a few times over and I'm not seeing where I made a note about it. I do recall reading the passage and thought it was remarkable. I'll just have to chance into it later.