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Jim Morrison · Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 578

Ok maybe this is a good topic down here.

1. What do you all think about breeding genetical modified humans that can feel no pain, have no brain for spare parts (transplantation) ?

2. What about breeding genetical modified pigs for spare parts ?

P.S. This is acually very simple. Sometimes babies are born without a brain. They die instantly after birth or are terminated. Also braindead babies are born. Now all we have to do is clone such a baby. Because all pain is registered in the brain and the soul is housed there. So we could start doing this in 5 years. Maybe 10 years. One day if you get sick you might copy yourself and grow a brainless mini me. You might even decide to speed the proces up by leaving out arms and legs. Why cybernate if you can geneticnate ?

Mac · Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 741 Location: USA

Jim Morrison wrote: This is acually very simple. Sometimes babies are born without a brain. They die instantly after birth or are terminated. Also braindead babies are born. Now all we have to do is clone such a baby. Because all pain is registered in the brain and the soul is housed there. So we could start doing this in 5 years. Maybe 10 years. The only objection are false sentiments. One day if you get sick you might copy yourself and grow a brainless mini me. You might even decide to speed the proces up by leaving out arms and legs. Why cybernate if you can geneticnate ?

:)

It would be even cooler if they grew these parts with your own genetic code (finagle a bit to get a brainless baby version of course.) They could start everybody with a spare body very young. It could be kept in cold storage on a life support system and you could have it as a back up parts bank. Probably not the most effective method, but interesting to think about all the same.

Jim Morrison · Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 578

That is a good idea ! See 2 people always smarter then one !

:)

Demosthenes^ · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject:

Jim Morrison, you are truly sick. If you actually believe that pile of kuso that you are preaching, I'm glad you don't have a clone made ready. The world would be better off without your comments on this site. Also, in my opinion, cloning is playing God. You're creating life and then terminating it if you feel like. You are SO begging to have a lighteningbolt come down from heaven and blow you into smithereens. That is, if people notice at all.

With All DUE respect (which in your case is none);

Demosthenes^

Mac · Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 741 Location: USA

Demosthenes^ wrote: Jim Morrison, you are truly sick. If you actually believe that pile of kuso that you are preaching, I'm glad you don't have a clone made ready. The world would be better off without your comments on this site. Also, in my opinion, cloning is playing God. You're creating life and then terminating it if you feel like. You are SO begging to have a lighteningbolt come down from heaven and blow you into smithereens. That is, if people notice at all.

With All DUE respect (which in your case is none);

Demosthenes^

Is sexual intercourse playing god?

GcFreaKGurl · Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 11

you are playing god . You truly sicken me!!!!!

Schmengus_jr · Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 63

cloning is not playing god. nothing is playing god.....playing god would not be possible, because no one is a supreme being....how would cloning be? ur creating life, isn't having sex creating life? we are making huge leaps in medicine with cloning. We can cure people liek Christopher reeves with stem cell research.....( a topic related to abortion and unborn children) we are making good decisions...lets not get to philospohical with this...this is an unborn child...and GCgurl, do u even know what it means to play god?

mitsi_mirage · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 3193 Location: FRESNO, CA

I am totally agreeing with Demosthenes^ and GcFreaKGurl. How can you ever think of cloning a human being without sensation.. .without a brain. In that due case.. what is the purpose of existance of this .. "human."

Ron Conley · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject:

I really don't have any thoughts on this. I am not pushing for it to happen, but I am not objecting to it either. However, I will say that the argument "playing God" seems to be a poor response, becasue all facts considered, "He" may not even exist. Now, to answer your question Mitzi, the purpose would be organ harvesting. If something went wrong with, say, your kidneys, then you would have two that would match up to your body and you wouldn't have to spend years on a waiting list.

mitsi_mirage · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 3193 Location: FRESNO, CA

Ron Conley wrote: I really don't have any thoughts on this. I am not pushing for it to happen, but I am not objecting to it either. However, I will say that the argument "playing God" seems to be a poor response, becasue all facts considered, "He" may not even exist. Now, to answer your question Mitzi, the purpose would be organ harvesting. If something went wrong with, say, your kidneys, then you would have two that would match up to your body and you wouldn't have to spend years on a waiting list.

So you are suggesting that you would approve to breed these human beings.. w\o brain just for kidneys.. livers.. lungs.. whatever it is needed for organ transplants? No, I think its kinda wrong, because these are human beings... but then again. You do have a point because they might save somebody else's life.

Demosthenes^ · Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 12:21 am Post subject:

Quote: So you are suggesting that you would approve to breed these human beings.. w\o brain just for kidneys.. livers.. lungs.. whatever it is needed for organ transplants? No, I think its kinda wrong, because these are human beings... but then again. You do have a point because they might save somebody else's life.

Ron Conley does have a point, but in my opinion, if God wanted your organ to fail, then you should let him do his will, not your own. Mitzi is right: these are living human beings, not something to play around with if you feel like it at the time.

Respectfully,
Demosthenes^

Demosthenes^ · Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 12:24 am Post subject:

Quote: Is sexual intercourse playing god?

No, it is not, because that is something that God intended from the beginning. He wants people to have children and fill the earth with them.

Respectfully,
Demosthenes^

Ron Conley · Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:00 am Post subject:

Quote: So you are suggesting that you would approve to breed these human beings

I really don't care. I couldn't afford one anyways.

Mightier Than The Sword · Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 1756 Location: Exobably not.

Demosthenes^ wrote: Quote: Is sexual intercourse playing god?

No, it is not, because that is something that God intended from the beginning. He wants people to have children and fill the earth with them.

Respectfully,
Demosthenes^

Um... if God created everything (which He did) then didn't he create cloning?

Opinonated Conservative · Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 674 Location: Upstate NY

I am in favor of this. If you create a brainless clone for spare body parts. That is a good idea, they cant feel pain, its not like someone is losing a life so someone can have a heart. I think this is a good way of saving lifes.

impossible _ember · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 12 Location: North Carolina

Any opinion on cloning depends on how you define "human" Isn't your brain- and the capabilities inherent therein- the only true distinction between humans and animals?

if so, wouldn't a brainless child be nothing more than animal, since it would lack the essential distinction?

and if that sounds logical, then cloning brainless humans is no worse than cloning animals and if you transplanted human organs instead of pig organs I think it would be safer to any recipients. cloning is only useful in saving lives or growing food. Is it so contradictory to god's vision to attempt to save our fellow men?

and if cloning animals is also wrong, I think it's just another way of manipulating them to our benefit. As in, if we dont' have problems slicing them up for bacon, why not slice 'em up for kidneys?

Kindred · Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:12 am Post subject:

impossible _ember wrote: Any opinion on cloning depends on how you define "human" Isn't your brain- and the capabilities inherent therein- the only true distinction between humans and animals?

if so, wouldn't a brainless child be nothing more than animal, since it would lack the essential distinction?

and if that sounds logical, then cloning brainless humans is no worse than cloning animals and if you transplanted human organs instead of pig organs I think it would be safer to any recipients. cloning is only useful in saving lives or growing food. Is it so contradictory to god's vision to attempt to save our fellow men?

and if cloning animals is also wrong, I think it's just another way of manipulating them to our benefit. As in, if we dont' have problems slicing them up for bacon, why not slice 'em up for kidneys?

Humans are animals, many animals have brains, your point is not logical. The End.

jsquintz · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 2

Here is a simple solution. Clone yourself...then give your clone a partial birth abortion by sucking out all its brains as its being delivered. Then you can harvest the body and do with it as you wish. Fesecious....No. Likeley to happen soon.....Probably. Disturbing sign or moral decay in our country...Absolutely

Mightier Than The Sword · Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 1756 Location: Exobably not.

One more time: If God created everything, and I beleive He did, then didn't he create cloning?

impossible _ember · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 12 Location: North Carolina

I wouldn't say that's 'the end'. I wasn't saying that humans aren't animals or that animals have no brains. I"m saying that what we can do because of our brains distinguishes us from other animals. we build stuff and write books etc, all due to our enhanced brain power. my point was that other than our brains, we are animals, so if a child is born without a brain, it's just like any other animal manipulated by humans daily.

don't misinterpret this to mean I support the abuse of animals. I don't really like puppy mills or meat factories any more than the next person. I'm just saying that people who are against all cloning need to see it as another attempt to use our environments to survive. if we didn't use everything available, we wouldn't have survived this long. we should at least consider the science of the issue in full before deciding opinions