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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Quote: I am not arguing that the potential life begins at conception. I am arguing whether or not that is the potential life of a human, or the actual life of a human. I have asked you many times, and I will ask again.
Do you believe that the seed is equal to the flower? Your question is irrelevent. I have scientifically explained why an embryo is a human life, not a potential human life. You have not refudiated it except to say you disagree. A seed is not a developing life. Its a seed, ready to be planted and grown. An embryo is a developing human life, and in no way potential, even though it has enormous potential. |
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LostSoul3412
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AllAmericanMan wrote: Your question is irrelevent.
Yet, you still refuse to answer...
AllAmericanMan wrote: I have scientifically explained why an embryo is a human life, not a potential human life. You have not refudiated it except to say you disagree.
None of your sources refuted the claim of potential life, because none of your sources mentioned potential life.
AllAmericanMan wrote: A seed is not a developing life. Its a seed, ready to be planted and grown. An embryo is a developing human life, and in no way potential, even though it has enormous potential.
So the seed is devalued because it is not human?
You have repeatedly stated that an embryo is a developing human life, but what is the difference between developing life an potential life? |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: Your question is irrelevent.
Yet, you still refuse to answer...
AllAmericanMan wrote: I have scientifically explained why an embryo is a human life, not a potential human life. You have not refudiated it except to say you disagree.
None of your sources refuted the claim of potential life, because none of your sources mentioned potential life.
AllAmericanMan wrote: A seed is not a developing life. Its a seed, ready to be planted and grown. An embryo is a developing human life, and in no way potential, even though it has enormous potential.
So the seed is devalued because it is not human?
You have repeatedly stated that an embryo is a developing human life, but what is the difference between developing life an potential life?
Potential life is something not living, life is living. An embryo is a living human developing organism. Potential life? A seed is the only thing I can think of off hand. |
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LostSoul3412
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AllAmericanMan wrote: Potential life is something not living, life is living. An embryo is a living human developing organism. Potential life? A seed is the only thing I can think of off hand.
So now I ask why are the seed and the embryo different? Both are developing organisms, both contain the DNA structure of the life they will become, and both are formed though conception. So what is the difference between the two? |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: So now I ask why are the seed and the embryo different? Both are developing organisms, both contain the DNA structure of the life they will become, and both are formed though conception. So what is the difference between the two? A seed isnt necessarily growing, if it were sprouting roots id imagine it would be called a plant not a seed. An embryo is a living growing human organism. A seed is not. |
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steen
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Plodder wrote: Quote: The embryo itself will never attain sentience. so it magically turns into an adult right? Nope. What an ignorant remark.
Quote: Quote: Like fertilization and... fertilization?
plant life anfd human life The question here was the similarity between sperm and seed. The issue of comparable developmental stages is highly relevant, your blabbering, illiterate, and ignorant distraction none withstanding.
Quote: Quote: Nope. Human sperm is the male gamete. In plants, the male gamete is known as "pollen." Look it up, ignorant one. you just said exactly ehat he said. Nope. Are you SO INCREDIBLY illiterate that you missed the difference? You can't POSSIBLY be that dumb, can you? AAM claimed that the human sperm is equivalent to the seed, not the pollen. next time, perhaps you should read what is written rather than make very stupid and idiotic claims. |
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steen
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AllAmericanMan wrote: here.......http://www.nationalreview.com/.....
To sum it all up, an embryo is the same being it is when its an adult. Irrelevant. NR is just another fascist, fundie mouth piece. |
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steen
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AllAmericanMan wrote: heres are some interesting comments from someone in biological engineering....
http://www.cogforlife.org.... Utterly irrelevant, as the source is personal opinion from a pro-life lie-site. |
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steen
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AllAmericanMan wrote: Quote: I am not arguing that the potential life begins at conception. I am arguing whether or not that is the potential life of a human, or the actual life of a human. I have asked you many times, and I will ask again.
Do you believe that the seed is equal to the flower? Your question is irrelevent. I have scientifically explained why an embryo is a human life, not a potential human life. You have not refudiated it except to say you disagree. A seed is not a developing life. Sure it is. It is the plant version of the embryo or the blastocyst. Your ignorance of this merely shows your error; it doesn't prove your false claim.
Quote: Its a seed, ready to be planted and grown. An embryo is a developing human life, and in no way potential, even though it has enormous potential. The seed is as much a potential plant as the embryo is a potential person. Your claim is false. And the error of youre misrepresenting botanical stages of development have been pointed out previously. You willfully repeating the disproved claim is evidence of you now deliberately lying.
YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!! |
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steen
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| AllAmericanMan wrote: Potential life is something not living, life is living. An embryo is a living human developing organism. Potential life? A seed is the only thing I can think of off hand. So you are claiming that the seed is not living? You got to be the most ignorant person in your botany class. |
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AllAmericanMan
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: So you are claiming that the seed is not living? You got to be the most ignorant person in your botany class. No a seed is not alive by any definition until it begins to grow, becoming a plant at that point. |
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steen
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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AllAmericanMan wrote: Quote: So you are claiming that the seed is not living? You got to be the most ignorant person in your botany class. No a seed is not alive by any definition until it begins to grow, becoming a plant at that point. Prove your false claim.
Your extreme ignorance of this very basic aspect of biology is astonishing. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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AllAmericanMan wrote: No a seed is not alive by any definition until it begins to grow, becoming a plant at that point.
A seed in the ground is equvilent to the flower...
Now, can you prove it? |
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