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[Rankor and Pissing]

In reading through the threads Gun Control certainly is the topic, yet a strangle hold and impediment of 2nd amendment rights do have consequences especially when one fails to defend life and property from a criminal. In defense, we're taught to use overwhelming force - if using a gun, don't bother trying to maim (it's a myth) as most people are so hopped up on adrenaline they couldn't hit a broad side of a barn. Aim for center of mass. Dogs? Sure they'll bark and give a few seconds of extra time. Alarm systems? If the home invader is smart, they will cut your phone lines which are connected to the monitoring station. Some newer and expensive systems use a wireless connection which can also be easily scrammed with an anti-cellphone device. Safe rooms, barred doors, steel doors, dead bolts, etc - bottom line is, if someone wants in and you're holding off 2 gorillas breaking into your house with a baseball bat to defend your kids and wife - you're in deep sh**.

So, the question is, in a very practical sense, what is the best home defense firearm? Handguns are very popular but when stressed people tend to miss a lot. Rifles are usually unwieldy and usually either lever or bolt action (hope you don't miss). Shotguns could be very effective depending upon how their setup and their function. Semi-auto rifles like civilian AR's, or older military type weapons are usually meant for the battlefield and not a small hallway or bedroom.

What do you use for home defense, how is it the best option and why would you recommend it to others to defend their homes, families and property? No AK's or AR's, Mac-10's as they just aren't available in all states where the politicians have limited the constitution.

http://hematite.com/dragon/gcdefendhome1.html

My personal preference is a 16" Winchester 1300 Defender 12 ga. pump with nylon shoulder strap, with 2 3/4 Steel #4 shot, at full choke.

Back-up is a H&K .40 USP with blade night sights & small halogen lamp on the rail, using 180 gr. solid loads. Since in my state, using hollow points will automatically put me under suspicion, and I have to make sure the perps are in the house. State Trooper told me if he's half-in half-out, drag him in before they get there and there'll be no issues.

I also have an alarm system, steel doors / dead bolts but no dog.

[perdidochas]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: In reading through the threads Gun Control certainly is the topic, yet a strangle hold and impediment of 2nd amendment rights do have consequences especially when one fails to defend life and property from a criminal. In defense, we're taught to use overwhelming force - if using a gun, don't bother trying to maim (it's a myth) as most people are so hopped up on adrenaline they couldn't hit a broad side of a barn. Aim for center of mass. Dogs? Sure they'll bark and give a few seconds of extra time. Alarm systems? If the home invader is smart, they will cut your phone lines which are connected to the monitoring station. Some newer and expensive systems use a wireless connection which can also be easily scrammed with an anti-cellphone device. Safe rooms, barred doors, steel doors, dead bolts, etc - bottom line is, if someone wants in and you're holding off 2 gorillas breaking into your house with a baseball bat to defend your kids and wife - you're in deep sh**.

So, the question is, in a very practical sense, what is the best home defense firearm? Handguns are very popular but when stressed people tend to miss a lot. Rifles are usually unwieldy and usually either lever or bolt action (hope you don't miss). Shotguns could be very effective depending upon how their setup and their function. Semi-auto rifles like civilian AR's, or older military type weapons are usually meant for the battlefield and not a small hallway or bedroom.

What do you use for home defense, how is it the best option and why would you recommend it to others to defend their homes, families and property? No AK's or AR's, Mac-10's as they just aren't available in all states where the politicians have limited the constitution.

http://hematite.com/dragon/gcdefendhome1.html

My personal preference is a 16" Winchester 1300 Defender 12 ga. pump with nylon shoulder strap, with 2 3/4 Steel #4 shot, at full choke.

Back-up is a H&K .40 USP with blade night sights & small halogen lamp on the rail, using 180 gr. solid loads. Since in my state, using hollow points will automatically put me under suspicion, and I have to make sure the perps are in the house. State Trooper told me if he's half-in half-out, drag him in before they get there and there'll be no issues.

I also have an alarm system, steel doors / dead bolts but no dog.

My first choice is handgun. I have a 9mm. IMHO, 9mm/.38 is minimum for home defense handguns, .45 colt is about max. Anything in between is appropriate. I tend to shoot instinctively at close range(from having broken my bb gun's sights).


My second choice would be my 12-gauge 870 express loaded with #7 1/2 birdshot. At self defense ranges, size of shot is immaterial. If I lived in a more rural area, I'd probably use the shotgun as #1, and use my SKS as #2. They would be better for defending property. The shotgun with birdshot is ideal, because it would keep me from killing someone that is obviously no threat--i.e. too far away.

I would never touch anybody I shot. I'd let them stay where they dropped. I don't want physical evidence to show that I tried to set up something fraudulently.

[whatsthepoint]

Move across the street from the police station.

[armstrong001]

whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else?

[spearsy23]

True story, at my house we had a wire catch on fire and called the firedeparment, they drove all around the town and coudn't find our house. We live next door to the fire station

[Winchester]

I've never been concerned about home defense. I don't even lock my doors at night. I can't remember the last time I read in the paper about a break in and I've never heard of a break in and assault on someone where I live. I would expect lack of gangs and the fact that it would be a total crap shoot with a very high possiblity of entering a home with an armed homeowner that deters would be thiefs.

But my pooch would go nuts if anyone was actually trying to enter the house and I do have fairly ready access to about a dozen of my guns. Most likely they would be facing my SXS 12ga coach gun with a 45acp backup if the shock of seeing me mad and naked didn't make them run away first.

[Dragoon]

As I don't own a gun (and probably won't be able to get one until I leave home. My parents don't want any in the house.) I'd have to use a bat.

However, if I did own one...I guess I'd use either a handgun or a shotgun.

[perdidochas]

Dragoon wrote: As I don't own a gun (and probably won't be able to get one until I leave home. My parents don't want any in the house.) I'd have to use a bat.

However, if I did own one...I guess I'd use either a handgun or a shotgun.

A bat is better than nothing. Too bad you are in CA, or you could at least buy pepper spray.

[whatsthepoint]

armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.

[armstrong001]

whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns

[whatsthepoint]

armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

[perdidochas]

whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

True, not everyone needs a gun, but that doesn't preclude everyone the right to own a gun (unless of course they are a convicted felon). Breakins do happen. If they didn't, why would you have such security yourself. Read the NRA magazine column "The Armed Citizen" and you'll see at least a dozen cases a month of people using armed defense.

[OneZero]

armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns

:lol:

[Dragoon]

perdidochas wrote: Dragoon wrote: As I don't own a gun (and probably won't be able to get one until I leave home. My parents don't want any in the house.) I'd have to use a bat.

However, if I did own one...I guess I'd use either a handgun or a shotgun.

A bat is better than nothing. Too bad you are in CA, or you could at least buy pepper spray.

Yeah. Im not that worried about it, as I live in a dinky ass farm town. But it's the principal of the thing.

[Rankor and Pissing]

whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

I'm gonna disagree here. Home invasions happen all the time and it's not just for drugs - it's rape, it's a sicko who's a serial killer. There's all sorts of home invasions. For example, 2 miles away from me, an elderly woman who lives alone was raped and murdered. The perps made it look like a robbery, but it turned out to be her grandson. He said he did it because he was mad she wouldn't lend him $2,000 for a car.

Another was two towns over, where a boyfriend broke into his ex-girlfriends house because she wouldn't let him get the rest of his stuff, since they broke up and he moved out. Needless to say he busted in the front door - they argued, he raped and strangled her - then ran.

Home invasions may rarely happen where you are, that's not the case everywhere.

[OneZero]

Remington 870 12-gauge with 18" barrel and 7-round mag extension, Surefire fore end. That's my first choice.

Backup would be either a Glock 23 in .40 S&W with a light or a 1911 in .45 with a light.

[armstrong001]

whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

If that is the case, then why move across the street from a police station? It sounds like you don't need protection. Nothing bad will ever happen to you.

[armstrong001]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Since in my state, using hollow points will automatically put me under suspicion, and I have to make sure the perps are in the house. State Trooper told me if he's half-in half-out, drag him in before they get there and there'll be no issues.



In additon to this, if you ever are put in a situation that you must shoot an attacker, shoot to kill. You shouldn't be pulling the trigger anyways if you don't intend to kill the attacker.

And make sure that he is dead. You only want your side of the story when the police get there. Otherwise, the intruder will probably say that you invited them in, etc.

[whatsthepoint]

armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

If that is the case, then why move across the street from a police station? It sounds like you don't need protection. Nothing bad will ever happen to you. Correct!!!!

[armstrong001]

whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: armstrong001 wrote: whatsthepoint wrote: Move across the street from the police station.

Since obviously not everyone can do this, what do you propose for everyone else? I don't care about everyone else. It's up the them to figure it out.
= guns Not everyone needs a gun. Home invasions hardly ever happen. When they do it's drug related. No one is going to storm your house , unless you have something of extreme value. Coke maybe!

If that is the case, then why move across the street from a police station? It sounds like you don't need protection. Nothing bad will ever happen to you. Correct!!!!
Then why move across the street from the police station?