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eynon

from scrolling through the first 4 pages of the Christianity forum, here are all the threads on gayness:
MINISTER FACES REPRIMAND FOR MARRYING GAYS
Brokeback Mountain - Love Is A Force Of Nature
Gay people & The Church
Gay Marrage
GAY vs GOD
The Homosexual Controversy
Gay Ministers
Was Jesus Fruity?
Can a person be homosexual and christian at the same time
Another OPINION needed post about God 'curing' gays
How many forum christians know someone gay?
On the Gay issue

12 threads in less then 4 pages and that doesn't even count the threads in the general religion section..........why is our culture so obsessed with homosexuality? or more specfically, why is this forum so obsessed with homosexuality? the bible spends so little time on it, I've been going to church for 3 years and it's never come up. It's not that important an issue. Of all he evil that corrupts this world; child abuse, poverty, genocide, famine, plauge, fraud, usury, decedance, depression, explotation, the rape of the enviorment, etc.....we are focused on this small, stupid issue of sexuality.....WTF!!!!

Does a person's sexuality define that person? Is that all they are? Is that even the most important aspect of their existence? Oh, well I'm a "gay person", so what, I like oral sex, does that make me an "oral person" does it define my life? NO!!!!

Sex is not that important, it's not that big a deal....it's consiquences can be, but in and of itself it matters little in terms of the trials and issues we face in life. So please.....CAN WE MOVE ON!

look, there are many people I love and care for who are homo-sexual, do I think that they're choice of life-style is unwise? Sure I do....but does that change how I act towards them? no....I still love them as much as I would if they were strait. Their homosexuality is between them and God. I just don't make a big deal of it one way or the other.....there are so many more important things in life. I say we concentrate on the good fight, the important fights, this whole issue has nothing to do with the love our Lord commanded us to show. It's cheap and petty......it's like we're obsessing over a canker sore while the world bleeds to death.

So I'm asking the Christians on this forum to end this unhealthy obsession, to move on to more important issues, and to just drop the issue of Homosexuality.....enough is enough, BOYCOTT! who's with me?
:-D

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

It's not Christians making all those threads. They made a couple but most were made by non-Christians.

And that's the last thing I'm saying about the subject.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 24268

If the subject is an obvious troll thread. Then yes...by all means...the best thing to do is ignore it and let it die.

I would also ask for Christians to ignore any thread that seems to be purposely. directed at causing division between Catholic and Protestants.

I'd also ask if everyone would just ignore psholtz. :lol: Just kidding Paul needs to find the Lord too.

eynon · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

Catholic vs Protestant threads? ok sure.....so basically we should no longer rise to the troll bait? sounds good to me :-D

eynon · Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: It's not Christians making all those threads. They made a couple but most were made by non-Christians.

And that's the last thing I'm saying about the subject.

agreed, but if we ignore the trolls they'll go away :wink:

Gryff1nd0r · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2430 Location: Cambridge, MA

As much as I think it SHOULD be a non-issue, it is a major issue.

Why? Because it is so divisive among Christians and between Christians and people of different faiths (or non-faiths). Also, it is one of the most politicized issued that concerns Christians specifically.

The anti-gay attitude of Christians turns a lot of people off, and turns a lot of people into real anti-Christians. That is why so many people want to argue about it, and will continue arguing about it.

You mentioned the following evils: child abuse, poverty, genocide, famine, plauge, fraud, usury, decedance, depression, explotation, the rape of the enviorment

Why aren't people talking more about that? Because everyone agrees on it! Nobody is angry at Christians for being so concerned about those things, because everyone is concerned about those things! When it comes to homosexuality, many Christians really break off from mainstream thinking, and actually cause a lot of harm and pain. Also, they are fighting to prevent (or, if you wish, to "preserve") something, and reasonable people see it is simply irrational, self-rightous, and infuriating.

So yeah, people will keep talking about it until the Christians get their self-rightous *insert body part* out of their anti-intellectual *insert body hole* and shut up about it.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

Eynon81 wrote: So I'm asking the Christians on this forum to end this unhealthy obsession, to move on to more important issues, and to just drop the issue of Homosexuality.....enough is enough, BOYCOTT! who's with me? :-D
There are no more important issues than the feminist agitation for abortion and homosexist marriage in the USA, since they are representative issues in the ongoing cultural, ideological and political war between Judeo-Christians and secularists in the USA.

If you want to boycott something, why not boycott politicians who advocate and promote feminism, abortion and homosexism in Judeo-Christian society and communities?

Gryff1nd0r · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2430 Location: Cambridge, MA

joe christian wrote: Eynon81 wrote: So I'm asking the Christians on this forum to end this unhealthy obsession, to move on to more important issues, and to just drop the issue of Homosexuality.....enough is enough, BOYCOTT! who's with me? :-D
There are no more important issues than the feminist agitation for abortion and homosexist marriage in the USA, since they are representative issues in the ongoing cultural, ideological and political war between Judeo-Christians and secularists in the USA.

If you want to boycott something, why not boycott politicians who advocate and promote feminism, abortion and homosexism in Judeo-Christian society and communities?

See, Enyon? This is why the debate goes on. :wink:

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

Gryff1nd0r wrote: joe christian wrote: Eynon81 wrote: So I'm asking the Christians on this forum to end this unhealthy obsession, to move on to more important issues, and to just drop the issue of Homosexuality.....enough is enough, BOYCOTT! who's with me? :-D
There are no more important issues than the feminist agitation for abortion and homosexist marriage in the USA, since they are representative issues in the ongoing cultural, ideological and political war between Judeo-Christians and secularists in the USA.

If you want to boycott something, why not boycott politicians who advocate and promote feminism, abortion and homosexism in Judeo-Christian society and communities?

See, Enyon? This is why the debate goes on. :wink:

And I don't believe it would have become such an issue, if certain demographics of Christians hadn't made it a ballot issue.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: It's not Christians making all those threads. They made a couple but most were made by non-Christians.

And that's the last thing I'm saying about the subject.

agreed, but if we ignore the trolls they'll go away :wink:

Don't count on it. They will continue to post the same things over and over.

:lol: But I'll try it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: if certain demographics of Christians hadn't made it a ballot issue.

I didn't know Jesus was running for office. :lol:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

John wrote: I'd also ask if everyone would just ignore psholtz.
Now why would you go and say something silly like that? :-D

LetsGetReal · Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 5791 Location: Peoria, AZ

I quit arguing the Gay issue a while ago because everyone agreed it was a sin but a few people with an agenda to try and convince otherwise. I wouldn't say to ignore but make a valid post and move on. Half the time you argue the same point to death and people bypass it, unless your that gun-ho to fight till the death. Like me and the "WORSHIP OF MARY" by the catholic church. John I'm sorry I must disagree the division that Martin Luther struck with his 96 theses made christianity what it is today. The spread of a more accurate account of the Bible is all his credit. Sometimes division is needed.....

Todd D. · Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject:

soldierofchrist wrote: I agree that there are far too many gay threads, and it's to the point of ridiculousness. Most of them are just flamebaiting thread s anyways. However, I don't think "Catholic Vs. Protestant" threads are a bad thing, unless it's saying "protestants are stupid" or "Catholics worship Mary" then that's ridiculous. But I don't think a good communication between Catholics and Protestants is a bad thing.
Quoted for truth. As long as discussions remain civil and both sides listen to each other, I find nothing wrong with discussion of ideals. There's no point in pretending that we agree on everything, and understanding WHY we disagree can only bring us closer.

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: if certain demographics of Christians hadn't made it a ballot issue.

I didn't know Jesus was running for office. :lol:

btw...Jesus didn't know he was running for savior either, but they ran him anyway. :lol:

eynon · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:46 am Post subject:

Ah krap! I just broke my own rule.......yeesh, I'm such a hypocrit! :lol:

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16443 Location: On Earth

Honestly, as a Muslim, I believe that this should be a non-issue, and personally, I don't understand why you guys are arguing over whether Jesus was a homo-sexual or not. As a Muslim, I tend to view Jesus as a flawless prophet: he committed no sin, and had no such relationships. He was perfect, though not as perfect as God (ok, I know what you Christians are going to tell me, but don't pelt me with stones just yet). I mean, I find it pointless. :-|

eynon · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:03 am Post subject:

Saracen wrote: Honestly, as a Muslim, I believe that this should be a non-issue, and personally, I don't understand why you guys are arguing over whether Jesus was a homo-sexual or not. As a Muslim, I tend to view Jesus as a flawless prophet: he committed no sin, and had no such relationships. He was perfect, though not as perfect as God (ok, I know what you Christians are going to tell me, but don't pelt me with stones just yet). I mean, I find it pointless. :-|

well said :-D

Jonah · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 928

Eynon81 wrote: Saracen wrote: Honestly, as a Muslim, I believe that this should be a non-issue, and personally, I don't understand why you guys are arguing over whether Jesus was a homo-sexual or not. As a Muslim, I tend to view Jesus as a flawless prophet: he committed no sin, and had no such relationships. He was perfect, though not as perfect as God (ok, I know what you Christians are going to tell me, but don't pelt me with stones just yet). I mean, I find it pointless. :-|

well said :-D

The fact that this issue of people wanting to know if it's ok to be christian and homosexual stems from impure motives in the first place. They're asking "Is it ok with God if I do this?...." Instead, they should be asking, "In what way can I live to best glorify the God who redeemed me?"

Furthermore, consulting the bible on this issue really isn't operating in "...the perfect law that gives freedom...", rather they should listen to and obey the promptings of the Holy Spirit: see below.

Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to [d] them, [e] "
declares the LORD.

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

So as you move through your day, listen to what the Spirit tells you.

1 John 2:27 "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

So then, if the Holy Spirit is still speaking to you :-D (what he says resonates in your spirit); then if he brings conviction about something, it's not OK. If he doesn't bring conviction about something, it's OK! :wink:

soldierofchrist · Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 1622 Location: St Marys, GA

Todd D. wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: I agree that there are far too many gay threads, and it's to the point of ridiculousness. Most of them are just flamebaiting thread s anyways. However, I don't think "Catholic Vs. Protestant" threads are a bad thing, unless it's saying "protestants are stupid" or "Catholics worship Mary" then that's ridiculous. But I don't think a good communication between Catholics and Protestants is a bad thing.
Quoted for truth. As long as discussions remain civil and both sides listen to each other, I find nothing wrong with discussion of ideals. There's no point in pretending that we agree on everything, and understanding WHY we disagree can only bring us closer.
Agreed. Just closing your eyes and plugging ears and saying "I"m NOT talking to you!" isn't the adult way to do things. You can disagree and be civil about it. Maybe work past your differences. If anything it will bring you closer than just sitting around pretending all is well.