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[Ch33kY]

If Christianity is the true religion, then all those who have never heard of it, nor Heaven, nor Hell, nor Jesus, will end up in Heaven wondering where the f#$k they are. :lol:

Just a funny thought.

Seriously, wouldn't you be a bit spooked and freak out. There would be hundreds of millions of people unaware where they are running riot around the place. As for Hell, well, that would be a laugh.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Personally, what I find amusing is that you can take a virtuous non-believer-- and then instantly condemn him to Hell by introducing him to God's Word.

After all, if he's that virtuous, why is he going to just throw down his gods and worship yours at the drop of a hat?

[aboutandy]

Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

[perdidochas]

aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

Whatever happens will be infinitely just. I don't know exactly what will happen, but I do know it will be just.

[xsuite]

perdidochas wrote: aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

Whatever happens will be infinitely just. I don't know exactly what will happen, but I do know it will be just.

Yes it will be extremely just. I belive that as long as you are virtuous and believe in A god, that you will get into heaven. I also believe that christians have it easier because its sort of like getting into a rock concert after-party, "oh hey God!, Im with jesus...." Ya know?

[eynon]

xsuite wrote: perdidochas wrote: aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

Whatever happens will be infinitely just. I don't know exactly what will happen, but I do know it will be just.

Yes it will be extremely just. I belive that as long as you are virtuous and believe in A god, that you will get into heaven. I also believe that christians have it easier because its sort of like getting into a rock concert after-party, "oh hey God!, Im with jesus...." Ya know?

actually....that's a great way of thinking about it :-D

Jesus is a back-stage pass :lol:

[sLiPpY]

I seem to recollect that those who haven't been so blessed, with a visit by a Jehovah's witness or a LDS...automatically get a one way ticket into heaven. ;)

[mattwa33193]

aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

I asked a Fundamentalist that question. Actually, I ask every Fundamentalist I meet that question if the talk turns to religion.

Most bizzarre answer I got was that if the person deserved eternal salvation God would make sure he heard about Jesus and had a chance to accept Him. If he never got that chance, then God had judged him undeserving of salvation.

[soldierofchrist]

I think we all look at heaven and hell in the wrong way for the most part anyways.

[Clara Listensprechen]

Ch33kY wrote: If Christianity is the true religion, then all those who have never heard of it, nor Heaven, nor Hell, nor Jesus, will end up in Heaven wondering where the f#$k they are. :lol:

Just a funny thought.

Seriously, wouldn't you be a bit spooked and freak out. There would be hundreds of millions of people unaware where they are running riot around the place. As for Hell, well, that would be a laugh.

I don't think so. The Left Behind would be around to tell the rest that the Rapture had happened and GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH.

Now--if Christianity is the true religion, please point out to us which version of Christianity that one is:

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Cameronians (1600's)
Camisards (1600's)
Campbellites (Disciples of Christ)(1833)
Caputiati (12th Century)
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(1770)
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[Clara Listensprechen]

mattwa33193 wrote: aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

I asked a Fundamentalist that question. Actually, I ask every Fundamentalist I meet that question if the talk turns to religion.

Most bizzarre answer I got was that if the person deserved eternal salvation God would make sure he heard about Jesus and had a chance to accept Him. If he never got that chance, then God had judged him undeserving of salvation.

Any evangelical who says that hasn't read Romans 2:14-16. That statement contradicts it.

[Clara Listensprechen]

aboutandy wrote: Some Christians think that all people who have not heard of Christianity will not even make it to heaven because, in order to get to heaven, one must accept Jesus into their lives or something along those lines. So all those poor people who have never been exposed to Western Civilization and Christian missionaries are already dammed to hell. Would it be wrong to question God/Christianity of arrogance?

It would also be correct to say that these people haven't read the book they claim to believe in, and thump regularly.

[John]

Quote: Now--if Christianity is the true religion, please point out to us which version of Christianity that one is:

True Christianity isn't a religion at all.

It's about the actual event of being born again and experiencing a real change happen in your life through the working of the Holy Spirit. It really doesn't matter what church you do to as long as this actual thing happens to you.

I don’t HAVE to go to church at all. I go because I LIKE to go. I ENJOY being there.

If I found that I was going for the sake of religion it would be better if I didn't go and did something else that would promote my relationship with the Lord.

[Clara Listensprechen]

John wrote: Quote: Now--if Christianity is the true religion, please point out to us which version of Christianity that one is:

True Christianity isn't a religion at all.

It's about the actual event of being born again and experiencing a real change happen in your life through the working of the Holy Spirit.

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell ya.

[John]

Clara Listensprechen wrote: John wrote: Quote: Now--if Christianity is the true religion, please point out to us which version of Christianity that one is:

True Christianity isn't a religion at all.

It's about the actual event of being born again and experiencing a real change happen in your life through the working of the Holy Spirit.

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell ya.


I've experienced it...you can't sell me anything.

[Clara Listensprechen]

I'm not conviced, given what you've already bought into.

[John]

Clara Listensprechen wrote: I'm not conviced, given what you've already bought into.

Bought into what?

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: After all, if he's that virtuous, why is he going to just throw down his gods and worship yours at the drop of a hat?

Millions have done just that.

Ask some of them. They will tell you it is the introduction to the indwelling presence of the Ruach HaKodesh in their "holy of holies".

The Holy Spirit residing in their hearts.

Come. Lord Y'shua is waiting for you.

[connermt]

Ch33kY wrote: If Christianity is the true religion, then all those who have never heard of it, nor Heaven, nor Hell, nor Jesus, will end up in Heaven wondering where the f#$k they are. :lol:

Just a funny thought.

Seriously, wouldn't you be a bit spooked and freak out. There would be hundreds of millions of people unaware where they are running riot around the place. As for Hell, well, that would be a laugh.

I have often wondered what happens to all those people who have never heard of christianity. I have had people tell me "They will see God in nature". That seems like a BS answer to me. Sure you could see God in nautre if you know to look for Him. But what about those who don't even know of the concept of God (or even a god)?
It just seems to me that if God wanted everyone to know about Him, everyone would know about him in the most basic form. I find it interesting :!?: that Christianity seemed to start from a relatively small, localized area, with a relatively small group of people in a rather large world. It almost seemed selective. This is a reason (one of many) why I question christianity in the first place.

[Clara Listensprechen]

Christianity was originally a device engineered for control of an empire in the sections of it that was in rebellion.