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MALIK
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: - What do you think about the theory of evolution ? - |
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Hey Muslim friends,
How do you view the evolution theory ? Do you think its true or not ?
Do you think it would be aganist Islam if you believe in evolution (controlled by Allah) ? |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: Re: - What do you think about the theory of evolution ? - |
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MALIK wrote: Hey Muslim friends,
How do you view the evolution theory ? Do you think its true or not ?
Do you think it would be aganist Islam if you believe in evolution (controlled by Allah) ?
Yes ofcourse it would be against Islam cause God says he created man in perfect form. Adam and Eve, our parents, were human beings and Adam was created in an instant by God, I mean he wasnt a cell then he evolved THEN god sent for him.
Anyway people who believe in the evolution theory or at least it makes some sense to them and that you dont believe in the creation story tend to believe, I think, that there is no God, and in that case my question that remains unanswered and forever will be is that how did all of this start?
If man was first a cell then who created the cell? And if the cell was created by a "unique enviromental condition" then who created this enviromental condition?! Who created all the molecules and were responsible for the creation of this universe? Were they always "there"? Naaah... |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Wait. Isn't Islam compatible with evolution? |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Saracen wrote: Wait. Isn't Islam compatible with evolution?
Well I believe that they took a couple of verses from the Quran and made it look like its vague and unclear cause in this way evolution may be paussible and compatible with evolution.
I can agree that animals evolved throughout thousands of years and I think even we humans did but just in the form. It is believed that Adam and Eve were like giants, they were very huge and probably most humans back then lived for hundreds of years (just like Noah). Anyway I am not sure if this way the norm though but anyway I am anti evolution when it means we evolved from a single cell organizm. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: Saracen wrote: Wait. Isn't Islam compatible with evolution?
Well I believe that they took a couple of verses from the Quran and made it look like its vague and unclear cause in this way evolution may be paussible and compatible with evolution.
I can agree that animals evolved throughout thousands of years and I think even we humans did but just in the form. It is believed that Adam and Eve were like giants, they were very huge and probably most humans back then lived for hundreds of years (just like Noah). Anyway I am not sure if this way the norm though but anyway I am anti evolution when it means we evolved from a single cell organizm.
That's what I meant. :-D |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| check this out |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: check this out
Wow. Just what I need. Thanks a lot, pharaoh. Now I know what to arm myself in that Creation/Evolution/IntelligentDesign forum...
...if I wanted to go there, that is. :lol: |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Saracen wrote: pharaoh wrote: check this out
Wow. Just what I need. Thanks a lot, pharaoh. Now I know what to arm myself in that Creation/Evolution/IntelligentDesign forum...
...if I wanted to go there, that is. :lol:
No problemo... |
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MALIK
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hey thanks.
pharaoh, I also think animals went through evolution, but not human-kind ( maybe a little bid, but not a change from monkey to human).
Also, when I said would it be against Islam, I didnt mean that a single cell in the beginning formed it self, and then evolved. I meant Allah created the first living cell, and under Allah's control it evolved. Like babies do during the pregrancy period.
But thanks, the article from the Islam online clears it :) |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Good thing you brought up Malik!
I had a course in evolution but i never new that Islam was anti evolution! |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: Good thing you brought up Malik!
I had a course in evolution but i never new that Islam was anti evolution!
Islam is not 100% anti-Evolution. It supports a modified version of it. Everything began with Creation, and continued with Evolution...
... I think. |
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Muslima
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you don't have to think
i view it as a fact |
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Showboat
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Do Muslims have a belief on how long ago Adam and Eve were created and where Eden was?
It's just that mitochondrial DNA has been traced back to a single "Eve" in Africa around 200,000 years ago. And people left Africa and spread across the world around 50,000 years ago.
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/index.html |
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Demonic Spoon
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Stop being so damn hypocritical, Saracen. You are saying that Islam and science go well together (bulls**t), but are now saying that you believe a theory of creation that contradicts science. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Demonic Spoon wrote: Stop being so damn hypocritical, Saracen. You are saying that Islam and science go well together (bulls**t), but are now saying that you believe a theory of creation that contradicts science.
I believe in part-part. That is, I believe that everything began with creation and progressed through evolution. |
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Demonic Spoon
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| You believe in adam and eve. That means you believe, DESPITE EVIDENCE supporting it, that humans evolved. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Demonic Spoon wrote: You believe in adam and eve. That means you believe, DESPITE EVIDENCE supporting it, that humans evolved.
Um, no. I believe that animals did. Humans were a special case.... more like an exception. I'll wait for other Muslims to respond over this matter. |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Demonic Spoon wrote: Stop being so damn hypocritical, Saracen. You are saying that Islam and science go well together (bulls**t), but are now saying that you believe a theory of creation that contradicts science.
Not all scientific theories are proven FACTS my friend. The evolution "THEORY" is just a..."THEORY"...it is not called the evolution "FACT"...its still only a theory. |
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mcmlv
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Although the question was posed to Muslims, but since Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same God, paying homage to Him in different ways, it is not unreasonable to expand on it.
I personally never found a conflict between God's work and its development, EVOLUTION. Clearly it can not be simplified to absolute proofs as is the norm in pure science. It can not be done so because there are wast areas that we as present humans simply do not understand or have come to learn yet. It is precisely because of that, I think, that creation and evolution are not mutualy exclusive. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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mcmlv wrote: Although the question was posed to Muslims, but since Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same God, paying homage to Him in different ways, it is not unreasonable to expand on it.
I personally never found a conflict between God's work and its development, EVOLUTION. Clearly it can not be simplified to absolute proofs as is the norm in pure science. It can not be done so because there are wast areas that we as present humans simply do not understand or have come to learn yet. It is precisely because of that, I think, that creation and evolution are not mutualy exclusive.
That's what I believe as well. |
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