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[Tennouheika]

So, as I'm sure everyone remembers, a few months ago some Muslims were very angry about cartoons depicting the Profit Mohamed.
American TV shows and news would not show the cartoons.

Now, I thought back to the very first episode of South Park that I had ever watched. The episode about the "Super Best Friends." Anyone remember?
It was the Justice League but with Religious figures, like Jesus, Buddah, and yes, Mohamed.

Mohamed was a super hero and shot fire out of his hands.


Now, why no anger over this episode when it aired? It was awhile ago, but it isn't like their rules changed between now and then.

[Saracen]

The anger from the cartoon controversy was expected, since this was the first time that many Muslims were exposed to such vile depictions of the Prophet. I don't care if you (dis)respect Islam, but the case is that their violence, albeit not justified, was out of their love for the Prophet. However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.

I think you know what I mean.

[Todd D.]

Quote: However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.
I think you are off here buddy.

[Saracen]

Todd D. wrote: Quote: However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.
I think you are off here buddy.

How so? Many of the people protested because of western double standards. It was known that the same newspaper did not publish bad images of Jesus, but went right away to publish such bad images of Muhammad. However, I agree that it was a bad way to respond to the cartoons regardless. But do enlighten me on what you meant.

[Yojimbo]

Saracen wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.
I think you are off here buddy.

How so? Many of the people protested because of western double standards. It was known that the same newspaper did not publish bad images of Jesus, but went right away to publish such bad images of Muhammad. However, I agree that it was a bad way to respond to the cartoons regardless. But do enlighten me on what you meant.

I think the cartoons were first published in the fall of 2005, but the controversy did not erupt until several months later, after a group of imams decided to speak out against them. Is that true?

[Saracen]

Yojimbo wrote: I think the cartoons were first published in the fall of 2005, but the controversy did not erupt until several months later, after a group of imams decided to speak out against them. Is that true?

Here's the part: in 2005, they published the cartoons. Muslim ambassadors went to court to stop the publication and demand an apology. When the case failed, the cartoons were published again for the reason of incitement.

[John]

Quote: I don't care if you (dis)respect Islam, but the case is that their violence, albeit not justified, was out of their love for the Prophet.

Come on now. It was about pride.

How dare them disrespect something I value. I will kill them for this. P R I D E.

[Random Evil Guy]

[Tennouheika]

Thanks, Random Evil Guy. That is exactly the episode.

[Todd D.]

Saracen wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.
I think you are off here buddy.

How so? Many of the people protested because of western double standards. It was known that the same newspaper did not publish bad images of Jesus, but went right away to publish such bad images of Muhammad. However, I agree that it was a bad way to respond to the cartoons regardless. But do enlighten me on what you meant.
On the most recent episode of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone wanted to show an image of Mohammed, but Comedy Central censored them. That censorship was then worked in to the episode when it was censored, then subsequently followed by an "Afghani" Cartoon depicting Bush and Jesus both literally crapping on the American flag. There were no eruptions, there were no riots, there was barely even a peep in any mainstream newspaper.

Riots are unacceptable, period. There is no "understanding" what was done, there is no "condoning" what was done. They comitted acts of violence in response to a piece of satire. They assumed that their right to not be offended trumped others' rights to free speech. Wrong on both counts. No double standard, just a different group being offended this time.

[Saracen]

Todd D. wrote: Saracen wrote: Todd D. wrote: Quote: However, the cartoons were not the only reason for the riots, but western double standards.
I think you are off here buddy.

How so? Many of the people protested because of western double standards. It was known that the same newspaper did not publish bad images of Jesus, but went right away to publish such bad images of Muhammad. However, I agree that it was a bad way to respond to the cartoons regardless. But do enlighten me on what you meant.
On the most recent episode of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone wanted to show an image of Mohammed, but Comedy Central censored them. That censorship was then worked in to the episode when it was censored, then subsequently followed by an "Afghani" Cartoon depicting Bush and Jesus both literally crapping on the American flag. There were no eruptions, there were no riots, there was barely even a peep in any mainstream newspaper.

Riots are unacceptable, period. There is no "understanding" what was done, there is no "condoning" what was done. They comitted acts of violence in response to a piece of satire. They assumed that their right to not be offended trumped others' rights to free speech. Wrong on both counts. No double standard, just a different group being offended this time.

I agree that the banning of satire is banning an expression of speech, and yes, I agree that violence is unacceptable.

[connermt]

Tennouheika wrote: So, as I'm sure everyone remembers, a few months ago some Muslims were very angry about cartoons depicting the Profit Mohamed.
American TV shows and news would not show the cartoons.

Now, I thought back to the very first episode of South Park that I had ever watched. The episode about the "Super Best Friends." Anyone remember?
It was the Justice League but with Religious figures, like Jesus, Buddah, and yes, Mohamed.

Mohamed was a super hero and shot fire out of his hands.


Now, why no anger over this episode when it aired? It was awhile ago, but it isn't like their rules changed between now and then.

Good grief - that's right! I forgot about that!
I doubt South Park is aired in the Middle East :lol:
But if it was, there probably would have been the same result.
ANY people that riot for days over a stupid cartoon (ANY people, religious or not) have much deeper issues than getting offended over a cartoon showing their beloved prophet.
I think they (the rioters) are just mad for many reasons & were looking for ANY reason to be stupid (AKA riot). It is amazing how people will use ANY religious reference to do stupid things.
I haven't seen any Jews rioting anywhere over Moses or Christians rioting over the this (& many other SP episodes) with Jesus in them.
{NOTE: There is a LARGE difference between RIOTING & PROTESTING}

[sLiPpY]

Did anyone see the episode, where the whole town got together and decided to bury their heads in the sand? Because the network might broadcast Mohammed in a cartoon?

It was funny as hell, complete with footage of Islamist rioting. :-D

[Tennouheika]

Funny episode.
Supposedly though Comedy Central censored the image of Mohamed. Was that for real? Or were the South Park people just joking around.

[ieatfood]

I think the answer is pretty simple--they don't get south park in the Arab world.

It's a lot easier to post a picture of a cartoon than it is to host an entire south park episode. Plus, the episode would have to be translated into Arabic, while the picture cartoon is self-explanatory.

Additionally, the south park episode didn't overtly disrespect mohammhed like the dutch cartoon did.

[Todd D.]

Tennouheika wrote: Funny episode.
Supposedly though Comedy Central censored the image of Mohamed. Was that for real? Or were the South Park people just joking around.
From what I understand, Comedy Central told Parker and Stone that if they tried to show an image of Mohammed, they would be censored. Parker and Stone took that knowledge and worked it in to the episode. So basically, what you saw was what Parker and Stone wanted you to see, but it was done because the higher ups and Comedy Central told them what they couldn't show.

[Enoch]

Todd D. wrote: Tennouheika wrote: Funny episode.
Supposedly though Comedy Central censored the image of Mohamed. Was that for real? Or were the South Park people just joking around.
From what I understand, Comedy Central told Parker and Stone that if they tried to show an image of Mohammed, they would be censored. Parker and Stone took that knowledge and worked it in to the episode. So basically, what you saw was what Parker and Stone wanted you to see, but it was done because the higher ups and Comedy Central told them what they couldn't show. And that is Comedy Central's decision, which I support.

Now, before the cries of "your against free speech" get started, let me clarify.

Comedy Central, by virtue of owning the station, has every right to determine what they want on their station. If they decide they don't want Mohamed to be depicted, that is their decision and I will support it.

Now, if the government or FCC steps in to say that Comedy Central CAN'T show a depiction of Mohamed, I would argue that it is a violation of Comedy Central's right to free speech and expression.

[Tennouheika]

It is still intimidation.

No one in the US wants to show any image of Mohamed, no matter what. Pretty interesting when CNN or Fox News say "We wont show you, but take our word for it, the cartoons were offensive."

[Todd D.]

UrielsFyre wrote: Todd D. wrote: Tennouheika wrote: Funny episode.
Supposedly though Comedy Central censored the image of Mohamed. Was that for real? Or were the South Park people just joking around.
From what I understand, Comedy Central told Parker and Stone that if they tried to show an image of Mohammed, they would be censored. Parker and Stone took that knowledge and worked it in to the episode. So basically, what you saw was what Parker and Stone wanted you to see, but it was done because the higher ups and Comedy Central told them what they couldn't show. And that is Comedy Central's decision, which I support.

Now, before the cries of "your against free speech" get started, let me clarify.

Comedy Central, by virtue of owning the station, has every right to determine what they want on their station. If they decide they don't want Mohamed to be depicted, that is their decision and I will support it.

Now, if the government or FCC steps in to say that Comedy Central CAN'T show a depiction of Mohamed, I would argue that it is a violation of Comedy Central's right to free speech and expression.
I concur that it was their decision, and they had the right to make it. Their network, their rules. I just disagree with the decision itsself.

[mojo]

Todd D. wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Todd D. wrote: Tennouheika wrote: Funny episode.
Supposedly though Comedy Central censored the image of Mohamed. Was that for real? Or were the South Park people just joking around.
From what I understand, Comedy Central told Parker and Stone that if they tried to show an image of Mohammed, they would be censored. Parker and Stone took that knowledge and worked it in to the episode. So basically, what you saw was what Parker and Stone wanted you to see, but it was done because the higher ups and Comedy Central told them what they couldn't show. And that is Comedy Central's decision, which I support.

Now, before the cries of "your against free speech" get started, let me clarify.

Comedy Central, by virtue of owning the station, has every right to determine what they want on their station. If they decide they don't want Mohamed to be depicted, that is their decision and I will support it.

Now, if the government or FCC steps in to say that Comedy Central CAN'T show a depiction of Mohamed, I would argue that it is a violation of Comedy Central's right to free speech and expression.
I concur that it was their decision, and they had the right to make it. Their network, their rules. I just disagree with the decision itsself.

I think it made the episode more funny that they censored it. I'm kind of glad they did.