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[razergreen]

What ever happened to Limbo?
Apparently the Vatican dissolved the idea of Limbo.
Where have all those unbaptized people gone?
They have yet to provide an explanation.
I think after the Vatican dissolved the idea of Limbo, new unbaptized people don't end up Limbo, but what about all the people who were already there?

[John]

Quote: Where have all those unbaptized people gone?

Heaven.

[Todd D.]

Officially Limbo comes more from Dante's Inferno than Catholic theology. It gained widespread acceptance in the Church because, well, because it made sense. Need baptism for salvation, so they can't go to Heaven, didn't comit a mortal sin so it's hard to imagine a loving God send them to Hell, so the solution is to say that they are in a state of perfect wordly pleasure.

I like what the Church says now: that we entrust them to a merciful God and know that He will act justly and lovingly. Limbo strikes me as our attempt to understand God's motives, admitting that we don't know I feel is far more humble. I wish more Christians would take that mentality when someone outside their faith group dies, infant or not.

[razergreen]

John wrote: Quote: Where have all those unbaptized people gone?

Heaven.

any proof of this?
or did the vatican just claim that recently without proof?

[razergreen]

Todd D. wrote: Limbo strikes me as our attempt to understand God's motives, admitting that we don't know I feel is far more humble. I wish more Christians would take that mentality when someone outside their faith group dies, infant or not.

Agreed, the world would be a much better place if people who are wrong would admit it. Lying is hardly righteous.

[John]

razergreen wrote: John wrote: Quote: Where have all those unbaptized people gone?

Heaven.

any proof of this?
or did the vatican just claim that recently without proof?

I don't keep up with what the Vatican does or depend on it for what I believe.


I have a personal peace in my spirit about this issue. That's enough for me.

[perdidochas]

razergreen wrote: What ever happened to Limbo?
Apparently the Vatican dissolved the idea of Limbo.
Where have all those unbaptized people gone?
They have yet to provide an explanation.
I think after the Vatican dissolved the idea of Limbo, new unbaptized people don't end up Limbo, but what about all the people who were already there?

Limbo has never been an official Catholic doctrine. It was a theory put forth by important theologians (Thomas Aquinas for one), but has never been officially adopted or rejected. Rumblings out there indicate that the idea will be rejected. From my understanding, people that we once theorized were in limbo will be in heaven. The idea was that there are two versions of Limbo. 1) Limbo of the Fathers was a place where the good people who lived before Christ went and awaited final judgement, and 2) Limbo of children where unbaptized babies went and stayed and lived in a state of happiness.

[perdidochas]

Todd D. wrote: Officially Limbo comes more from Dante's Inferno than Catholic theology. It gained widespread acceptance in the Church because, well, because it made sense. Need baptism for salvation, so they can't go to Heaven, didn't comit a mortal sin so it's hard to imagine a loving God send them to Hell, so the solution is to say that they are in a state of perfect wordly pleasure.

I like what the Church says now: that we entrust them to a merciful God and know that He will act justly and lovingly. Limbo strikes me as our attempt to understand God's motives, admitting that we don't know I feel is far more humble. I wish more Christians would take that mentality when someone outside their faith group dies, infant or not.


The idea (and name) of Limbo comes from the 5th century and St. Augustine, not Dante.

[perdidochas]

razergreen wrote: John wrote: Quote: Where have all those unbaptized people gone?

Heaven.

any proof of this?
or did the vatican just claim that recently without proof?

Basically, the Vatican's official view is that God is just. We can't judge who's going to heaven or hell.

[Todd D.]

perdidochas wrote: Todd D. wrote: Officially Limbo comes more from Dante's Inferno than Catholic theology. It gained widespread acceptance in the Church because, well, because it made sense. Need baptism for salvation, so they can't go to Heaven, didn't comit a mortal sin so it's hard to imagine a loving God send them to Hell, so the solution is to say that they are in a state of perfect wordly pleasure.

I like what the Church says now: that we entrust them to a merciful God and know that He will act justly and lovingly. Limbo strikes me as our attempt to understand God's motives, admitting that we don't know I feel is far more humble. I wish more Christians would take that mentality when someone outside their faith group dies, infant or not.


The idea (and name) of Limbo comes from the 5th century and St. Augustine, not Dante.
True, but much like our common conception of Hell stems more from Dante and Milton than it does the Bible and the Church, I think that the common conception about Limbo (it being a circle of Hell, only unbaptized babies are there, etc.) in the mind of pop-culture comes more from their reading of Dante than it does the reading of the Early Church Fathers.

[psholtz]

John wrote: razergreen wrote: John wrote: Quote: Where have all those unbaptized people gone?

Heaven.

any proof of this?
or did the vatican just claim that recently without proof?

I don't keep up with what the Vatican does or depend on it for what I believe.


I have a personal peace in my spirit about this issue. That's enough for me.
That's fine, but know that you're just randomly making up stuff as you go along.

There exist Absolute Laws that exist (and govern) this Universe. To a huge extent, these Laws are one and the same thing as what we term God. You ignore these Laws to your own peril ... the Bible states repeatedly (Isaiah, Proverbs, etc) that it's folly to ignore God (i.e., Law) in favor of following the wanderings of your own thoughts and imagination. The Bible is quite clear that this path leads only to Death.

[sLiPpY]

oh, so that's why the Pope carries around the Limbo stick.

Pope be nimble Pope be quick Pope go under limbo stick :-D

[mattwa33193]

Todd D. wrote: perdidochas wrote: Todd D. wrote: Officially Limbo comes more from Dante's Inferno than Catholic theology. It gained widespread acceptance in the Church because, well, because it made sense. Need baptism for salvation, so they can't go to Heaven, didn't comit a mortal sin so it's hard to imagine a loving God send them to Hell, so the solution is to say that they are in a state of perfect wordly pleasure.

I like what the Church says now: that we entrust them to a merciful God and know that He will act justly and lovingly. Limbo strikes me as our attempt to understand God's motives, admitting that we don't know I feel is far more humble. I wish more Christians would take that mentality when someone outside their faith group dies, infant or not.


The idea (and name) of Limbo comes from the 5th century and St. Augustine, not Dante.
True, but much like our common conception of Hell stems more from Dante and Milton than it does the Bible and the Church, I think that the common conception about Limbo (it being a circle of Hell, only unbaptized babies are there, etc.) in the mind of pop-culture comes more from their reading of Dante than it does the reading of the Early Church Fathers.

The concept of Hell as a fiery lake where evil people will be sent after they die was originated by Zoraster long before Christians roamed the Earth. Dante embelished it.