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[Canadian_Patriot]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4908756.stm

Cops won't even help them get out of their hotel :lol:

Don't mess with our industries and piss off you can't win.

[micfranklin]

Soulless Canadians. And couldn't these activists try sneaking out through the vents or windows? Well at least they're doing something they believe in.

[Enoch]

Since I am not from an area in which seals are native, I am curious...why are seals hunted? The article stated population control was the reason...but, is that the only reason?

[mathurin]

rofl, pwned

[ToonArmyIsComing]

UrielsFyre wrote: Since I am not from an area in which seals are native, I am curious...why are seals hunted? The article stated population control was the reason...but, is that the only reason?

Population control is not really the main reason. It's all about $$$ and people making money. That's why the locals are so angry. If the seal protestors are successful, no one will buy their seals and they will not earn money from hunting them.

I personally couldn't care less what happens to these seal hunters ... these seal hunters should get real jobs. Bashing animal skulls isn't a real job in my view, but market forces will prevail at the end. I hope the market chooses the activist side over the seal hunters.

[perdidochas]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Since I am not from an area in which seals are native, I am curious...why are seals hunted? The article stated population control was the reason...but, is that the only reason?

Population control is not really the main reason. It's all about $$$ and people making money. That's why the locals are so angry. If the seal protestors are successful, no one will buy their seals and they will not earn money from hunting them.

I personally couldn't care less what happens to these seal hunters ... these seal hunters should get real jobs. Bashing animal skulls isn't a real job in my view, but market forces will prevail at the end. I hope the market chooses the activist side over the seal hunters.

If the activists really wanted to change things, why don't they start businesses to hire the seal hunters? From what I've read, the seals bring in about $16 million a year. Instead of stupid protests why don't the activists just raise that $16 million and hire the hunters to do something else.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

perdidochas wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Since I am not from an area in which seals are native, I am curious...why are seals hunted? The article stated population control was the reason...but, is that the only reason?

Population control is not really the main reason. It's all about $$$ and people making money. That's why the locals are so angry. If the seal protestors are successful, no one will buy their seals and they will not earn money from hunting them.

I personally couldn't care less what happens to these seal hunters ... these seal hunters should get real jobs. Bashing animal skulls isn't a real job in my view, but market forces will prevail at the end. I hope the market chooses the activist side over the seal hunters.

If the activists really wanted to change things, why don't they start businesses to hire the seal hunters? From what I've read, the seals bring in about $16 million a year. Instead of stupid protests why don't the activists just raise that $16 million and hire the hunters to do something else.

There are plenty of jobs in Western Canada in Alberta where the economy is booming and in need of workers. They can get better paying jobs there if they wish. However, in the end, I am sure market forces will prevail: when the demand for the seals go down, the locals can't go hunt seals anymore and should look for real jobs in the Western Canada. :wink:

[OneZero]

Canadian_Patriot wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4908756.stm

Cops won't even help them get out of their hotel :lol:

Don't mess with our industries and piss off you can't win.

Quote: "There's only two police officers out there. They could get us out of here if they wanted to, but they're refusing to take us in their police vans."

:rotf: :rotf: Canada isn't as bad as I thought! Props to our brothers in the great white north.

[Kumar]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: perdidochas wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Since I am not from an area in which seals are native, I am curious...why are seals hunted? The article stated population control was the reason...but, is that the only reason?

Population control is not really the main reason. It's all about $$$ and people making money. That's why the locals are so angry. If the seal protestors are successful, no one will buy their seals and they will not earn money from hunting them.

I personally couldn't care less what happens to these seal hunters ... these seal hunters should get real jobs. Bashing animal skulls isn't a real job in my view, but market forces will prevail at the end. I hope the market chooses the activist side over the seal hunters.

If the activists really wanted to change things, why don't they start businesses to hire the seal hunters? From what I've read, the seals bring in about $16 million a year. Instead of stupid protests why don't the activists just raise that $16 million and hire the hunters to do something else.

There are plenty of jobs in Western Canada in Alberta where the economy is booming and in need of workers. They can get better paying jobs there if they wish. However, in the end, I am sure market forces will prevail: when the demand for the seals go down, the locals can't go hunt seals anymore and should look for real jobs in the Western Canada. :wink:
In theory, yes. However, this is easier said than done for those well-established on the East Coast. It's no easy task to move to the other side of the country.

But with respect to the article, yeah, I found that amusing. :lol: Apparently, these activists are having a pretty rough time out there. Victims of "systematic discrimination". :lol: Well, I don't see how. It's not as if they're pushing to cut off the means of living for these people or anything...

[ToonArmyIsComing]

Kumar wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: There are plenty of jobs in Western Canada in Alberta where the economy is booming and in need of workers. They can get better paying jobs there if they wish. However, in the end, I am sure market forces will prevail: when the demand for the seals go down, the locals can't go hunt seals anymore and should look for real jobs in the Western Canada. :wink:
In theory, yes. However, this is easier said than done for those well-established on the East Coast. It's no easy task to move to the other side of the country.

Mobility is a fact in Canada (and to a far greater extent in the US). People move around the country to find jobs all the time because of the demands of the economy. These people should learn to do that if they are to survive and stop being dependent on government handouts. I and many other Canadians have changed cities to find job/education opportuinities and I admit, it's not an easy thing to do, but it has to be done.

Besides, the East coast economy has been stagnant for years and depends on tax dollars coming out of Ontario and Alberta to support them. They don't deserve government handouts when they can move to the West where there is a shortage of workers in Alberta. But they REFUSE to move and portray themselves as victims ... if it weren't for them trying to get the votes, I bet the Conservatives in power would have cut all the money flowing into the region from the Federal government immediately.

Kumar wrote: But with respect to the article, yeah, I found that amusing. :lol: Apparently, these activists are having a pretty rough time out there. Victims of "systematic discrimination". :lol: Well, I don't see how. It's not as if they're pushing to cut off the means of living for these people or anything...

I don't understand this attitude. You see, mines close everyday, factories shut off everyday, etc etc ... they should try to find a new means of living and the government is failing in its task since it allows harrasment of the activists to go on.

[Kumar]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
Mobility is a fact in Canada (and to a far greater extent in the US). People move around the country to find jobs all the time because of the demands of the economy. These people should learn to do that if they are to survive and stop being dependent on government handouts. I and many other Canadians have changed cities to find job/education opportuinities and I admit, it's not an easy thing to do, but it has to be done.

Besides, the East coast economy has been stagnant for years and depends on tax dollars coming out of Ontario and Alberta to support them. They don't deserve government handouts when they can move to the West where there is a shortage of workers in Alberta. But they REFUSE to move and portray themselves as victims ... if it weren't for them trying to get the votes, I bet the Conservatives in power would have cut all the money flowing into the region from the Federal government immediately.
If they want to, they'll move. If they felt it was worthwhile to throw their life and the life of those around them into a state of upheaval simply because of some people who disapprove of their line of work, they will move. No one is forcing them to stay there. I think it's clear that they have no desire to go through such a hassle.

Quote: I don't understand this attitude. You see, mines close everyday, factories shut off everyday, etc etc ... they should try to find a new means of living and the government is failing in its task since it allows harrasment of the activists to go on.
Why should they try to find a new means of living? Because some people say it's unnecessary? I'm sure they don't appreciate others trying to dictate their lives for them. This hunt provides them with a half-decent sum of money. There really is no reason for them to discontinue it and move to the other side of the continent, though it's very easy to say so.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

Kumar wrote: If they want to, they'll move. If they felt it was worthwhile to throw their life and the life of those around them into a state of upheaval simply because of some people who disapprove of their line of work, they will move. No one is forcing them to stay there. I think it's clear that they have no desire to go through such a hassle.

I disapprove of them remaining in their stagnation and the fact that they are staying in places like Nova Scotia and rely on the governmnet resources when they can go to Alberta and get a well paying job. Did I mention Alberta has a shortage of workers? And as I mentioned I and many other Canadians move around the country in search of education/job oppotunities everyday.

Kumar wrote: Why should they try to find a new means of living? Because some people say it's unnecessary? I'm sure they don't appreciate others trying to dictate their lives for them. This hunt provides them with a half-decent sum of money. There really is no reason for them to discontinue it and move to the other side of the continent, though it's very easy to say so.

It's a free country. They can do their hunting, but harassing those who disapprove of their hunting and speak out against it is just not acceptable. Why can the churches, etc disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle freely for example while the seal hunt is somehow sacred?

[Kumar]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
I disapprove of them remaining in their stagnation and the fact that they are staying in places like Nova Scotia and rely on the governmnet resources when they can go to Alberta and get a well paying job. Did I mention Alberta has a shortage of workers? And as I mentioned I and many other Canadians move around the country in search of education/job oppotunities everyday.
And again, if they want to, they will move. No one is forcing them to remain there. But apparently, they are not in such dire straits that they want to make such an investment.

Quote: It's a free country. They can do their hunting, but harassing those who disapprove of their hunting and speak out against it is just not acceptable. Why can the churches, etc disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle freely for example while the seal hunt is somehow sacred?
They are permitted to go up there with the hunters and observe the activities they are engaging in. That does not guarantee that certain individuals will act pleasantly towards those who seek to undermine their livelihood.

[Revenant]

Its all about the Corporations. Weapons contractors get money to kill seals and the corporations get all corporationy and kill things. I have no semblance of intelligence but I in fact know that the Corporations are responsible for this, basking in money from the government and killing everything just like all Corporations do. :roll:

[ToonArmyIsComing]

Kumar wrote: And again, if they want to, they will move. No one is forcing them to remain there. But apparently, they are not in such dire straits that they want to make such an investment.

Kumar,
I am not sure how much you know about Canada's governmental polcies, but they are not moving mostly because the federal government is stealing money from the richer provinces and giving it to these poor provinces to support their socialist policies. They call this plan the "Equalization Program". So they are being subsidized by the money from Ontario and Alberta!

According to the federal government: the program is designed "for reducing fiscal disparities among provinces. Equalization payments enable less prosperous provincial governments to provide their residents with public services that are reasonably comparable to those in other provinces, at reasonably comparable levels of taxation."

Why should money from Ontario support the unemployed in Nova Scotia? I see tons of homeless people on the streets of Toronto when I go there. Clearly, that money should stay here to help the Ontarians.

Kumar wrote: They are permitted to go up there with the hunters and observe the activities they are engaging in. That does not guarantee that certain individuals will act pleasantly towards those who seek to undermine their livelihood.

Acting non-pleasantly is one thing. Trying to attack people is another. Maybe they should learn the basics like the concept of freedom of speech and freedom of movement since these two rights are clearly protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.

.... and they criticize the Muslims for not understanding freedom of speech! :roll:

[mathurin]

i can agree that the police should help them get out of town, totally, get them out of there, however you must realize that the police are not a taxi service, so it isnt really their job

otherwise, lets assume the police wanted to find and arrest the people who drove the protesters off of the road, how would they proceed, if the victims have a license plate number they can go arrest the owner, who will undoubtedly have a dozen people that will swear they were on the ice clubbing seals or off at their house playing poker
and even if an arrest could be made the victims would have to come backand testify at the trial, you think the locals are grumpy now? they wouldnt come back

nothing would come of it, so there is no reason to even start

as to the hunt, they say its for population control, and that even with all that they kill the population is still growing quickily, so as long as the hunt is not damaging the population i say fine, i dont care
the question of transer payments is a seperate issue, if the hunt doesnt lower the populations then it is obviously there for population control, perhaps not for that alone, but that justifies it