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[Yojimbo]

I know I read several years ago that there is no credible evidence as to the existence of Moses. That may or may not be true, but is this the case w/ Abraham? Was he a real person? Sorry if that's incredibly ignorant. I don't know much about Judaism, save a very superficial reading of the Old Testament. But I'm a huge Larry David fan.

[Saracen]

Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

[Yojimbo]

Saracen wrote: Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

I wasn't aware of historical evidence that indicated these people actually existed. That was sort of my question. What's the nature of this historical evidence? As far as religious texts are concerned, I wouldn't cite them as hard proof of anything. They say alot of things that I find difficult, impossible really, to interpret literally. No offense intended.

[Duchifas]

Yojimbo wrote: Saracen wrote: Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

I wasn't aware of historical evidence that indicated these people actually existed. That was sort of my question. What's the nature of this historical evidence? As far as religious texts are concerned, I wouldn't cite them as hard proof of anything. They say alot of things that I find difficult, impossible really, to interpret literally. No offense intended.

So what sort of evidence are you looking for? A pile of bones with a tag "Abraham?" :) Well, according to tradition he is buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron. Whether you find it credible is up to you, of course.

[Saracen]

Duchifas wrote: Yojimbo wrote: Saracen wrote: Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

I wasn't aware of historical evidence that indicated these people actually existed. That was sort of my question. What's the nature of this historical evidence? As far as religious texts are concerned, I wouldn't cite them as hard proof of anything. They say alot of things that I find difficult, impossible really, to interpret literally. No offense intended.

So what sort of evidence are you looking for? A pile of bones with a tag "Abraham?" :) Well, according to tradition he is buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron. Whether you find it credible is up to you, of course.

I think that pretty much sums it up... not to mention that he has two footprints embedded in a stone on a small sanctum called Maqam Ibrahim, located somewhere around the Kaaba in Mecca's mosque of Al Haram...



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[Yojimbo]

Saracen wrote: Duchifas wrote: Yojimbo wrote: Saracen wrote: Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

I wasn't aware of historical evidence that indicated these people actually existed. That was sort of my question. What's the nature of this historical evidence? As far as religious texts are concerned, I wouldn't cite them as hard proof of anything. They say alot of things that I find difficult, impossible really, to interpret literally. No offense intended.

So what sort of evidence are you looking for? A pile of bones with a tag "Abraham?" :) Well, according to tradition he is buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron. Whether you find it credible is up to you, of course.

I think that pretty much sums it up... not to mention that he has two footprints embedded in a stone on a small sanctum called Maqam Ibrahim, located somewhere around the Kaaba in Mecca's mosque of Al Haram...



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:lol: I got these two to agree on something. I meant archaeological evidence. I think there's none. But I guess that doesn't prove he didn't exist.

[Mailech]

Yojimbo wrote: I meant archaeological evidence. I think there's none. But I guess that doesn't prove he didn't exist.

That is just it, try to find archeological evidence of a single tent dweller, 3700 years later. They can't even find evidence of citiies, let alone a specific person. Whenever they do, it is quite by accident, but to find of a person who wa basically a nomad, though a rich one, would be nigh unto impossible.

[Yojimbo]

Mailech wrote: Yojimbo wrote: I meant archaeological evidence. I think there's none. But I guess that doesn't prove he didn't exist.

That is just it, try to find archeological evidence of a single tent dweller, 3700 years later. They can't even find evidence of citiies, let alone a specific person. Whenever they do, it is quite by accident, but to find of a person who wa basically a nomad, though a rich one, would be nigh unto impossible.

I wasn't being sarcastic. Lack of archaeological evidence in no way proves that he did not exist.

[Random Evil Guy]

Saracen wrote: Well, I don't know much, but when three pieces of religious text - the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran - say they exist, along with historical evidence pertaining to so-called "mythological figures" that had these names, then I would say that they do indeed exist and have lived. I'm talking about both.

put it like this: moses didn't exist as there is no evidence of the hebrews ever being in capture in egypt or wandering in the desert.
just one of the countless historical mistakes in the bible....