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Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

I wanted to bring this question to this Forum, simply because I couldn't find it when I searched for it. (I'm sorry if it's already been posted before, I tried searching for it)
I am for one side, but I wont argue it unless you want me to. I'm looking to start a good debate for both sides to debate intelligently.

Let's give a situation ... He/She is 15 years of age, and has a boyfriend/girlfriend.
...Now brings up the question for debate...

Would you give a condom to your own child?
Please explain your answer when voting.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

Certainly. Keeping them locked away until they legally leave isn’t the best life for them. Assuming they are little angles and would never do such a thing seldom works. And telling them horror stories and lies about how sex is a wrong and nasty act also doesn’t work. I see no reason why they shouldn’t be prepared should such an occurrence arise.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2246 Location: Edinburgh

I would. Condoms don't make people have sex, and by the time I have a 15-year-old kid, I expect them to be independent enough to make the decision to have sex or not. Likewise, I expect them to be smart enough to make the decision to have safe sex if they do.

Getting condoms from your parent(s) might be awkward. Heck, when I moved into my flat my mom sent up some unused condoms from highschool, and that's awkward enough already.

By the by, does anyone know how long condoms remain functional if kept at appropriate temperature levels?

The Grandmaster · Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:14 am Post subject:

Prole wrote: I would. Condoms don't make people have sex, and by the time I have a 15-year-old kid, I expect them to be independent enough to make the decision to have sex or not. Likewise, I expect them to be smart enough to make the decision to have safe sex if they do.

Getting condoms from your parent(s) might be awkward. Heck, when I moved into my flat my mom sent up some unused condoms from highschool, and that's awkward enough already.

By the by, does anyone know how long condoms remain functional if kept at appropriate temperature levels?

A few years, but nevertheless, it is good policy to replace them periodically before years actually pass, especially since they are so cheap anyway. If however, if you have condoms lasting so long they are expiring, this is a sign of another problem altogether. :lol:

Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

Prole wrote: I would. Condoms don't make people have sex, and by the time I have a 15-year-old kid, I expect them to be independent enough to make the decision to have sex or not. Likewise, I expect them to be smart enough to make the decision to have safe sex if they do.

Getting condoms from your parent(s) might be awkward. Heck, when I moved into my flat my mom sent up some unused condoms from highschool, and that's awkward enough already.

If you have a good relationship with your parent, getting condoms from them, and talking to them about sex shouldn't be too bad. My parents know, but they also buy me them (I pay for them). Why I have them buy the condoms instead of myself is because I lfie in a small town where everyone knows everyone. I don't want me to walk into a store, and have someone see me buying condoms. It tells them my girlfriend and I are having sex, and I don't really want people to know as it's a personal issue.

Back on the subject, you're right. Condoms do not make people have sex. People have sex based on the decisions they want to make.
...But the other side to the argument is that condoms are promoting sex.
Anyone want to try to debate this side?

jawsome · Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 13376 Location: Berkeley

First off, I'd ask: why didn't you just go into a bathroom somewhere and spend $.50 on your own and spare yourself the embarrassment? Secondly, if I had one and it was necessary at the time, and I knew he/she were not going to listen to me when I say "Don't go have sex," then I'd give he/she one. It's better than the alternative.

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5260

When you have teens, you just put a basket full on their bathroom counter and fill it when it runs low, no questions asked...

Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

jawsome wrote: First off, I'd ask: why didn't you just go into a bathroom somewhere and spend $.50 on your own and spare yourself the embarrassment? Secondly, if I had one and it was necessary at the time, and I knew he/she were not going to listen to me when I say "Don't go have sex," then I'd give he/she one. It's better than the alternative.
I wasn't able to understand. Care to explain?

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject:

Along with a hipflask and a pipe.

when he come of age of course.

None of sons is gonna be pansy.

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7312 Location: Tampa, FL

Ya, why not...it's gonna happen, might as well be prepared. I'd just tell him not to keep it in his wallet.

garyd · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 691 Location: tulsa, ok

Would you encourage your child to play Russian roulette???

Condom failure rates in actual practice seem to be on par with Russian roulette at about one chance in six of a bad outcome. The when properly used statement the manufacturers give you is one hell of a caveat with two sixteen years olds fumbling about in the back seat of a car in the dark while in the heat of passion.

Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

garyd wrote: Would you encourage your child to play Russian roulette???

Condom failure rates in actual practice seem to be on par with Russian roulette at about one chance in six of a bad outcome. The when properly used statement the manufacturers give you is one hell of a caveat with two sixteen years olds fumbling about in the back seat of a car in the dark while in the heat of passion.
Can you back this up?
The meaning of "Would you give a condom to your own child" isn't /really/ about a condom. It could be birth control for your daughter. But the argument for both sides still remains.

jawsome · Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 13376 Location: Berkeley

Meatball wrote: jawsome wrote: First off, I'd ask: why didn't you just go into a bathroom somewhere and spend $.50 on your own and spare yourself the embarrassment? Secondly, if I had one and it was necessary at the time, and I knew he/she were not going to listen to me when I say "Don't go have sex," then I'd give he/she one. It's better than the alternative.
I wasn't able to understand. Care to explain?

Haha, okay. :lol:

I'd be way too embarrassed to ask my dad or mom for a condom. So, if I were a parent and my child asked, I'd ask he or she why they didn't just go buy one on their own.

Secondly, if I knew that he or she was going to go have sex regardless of if I gave he or she a condom, or if I told them not to have sex (they will at one point), I would give them to make sure they use one. I'd much rather know they have a condom because they're going to do it eventually. It's better than them not having one and having unprotected sex.

Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

Quote: I'd be way too embarrassed to ask my dad or mom for a condom. So, if I were a parent and my child asked, I'd ask he or she why they didn't just go buy one on their own.
But didn't you just say it would be embarising enough if you asked your parent? If you were the parent and your child came to you, would you cause further embarisment by asking why they didn't buy it on their own?

jawsome · Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 13376 Location: Berkeley

Meatball wrote: Quote: I'd be way too embarrassed to ask my dad or mom for a condom. So, if I were a parent and my child asked, I'd ask he or she why they didn't just go buy one on their own.
But didn't you just say it would be embarising enough if you asked your parent? If you were the parent and your child came to you, would you cause further embarisment by asking why they didn't buy it on their own?

Yes. :lol:

garyd · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 691 Location: tulsa, ok

If you are too ignorant to figure out that promsicuity destroys, you've got a problem that condoms or birth control pills won't fix.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

garyd wrote: If you are too ignorant to figure out that promsicuity destroys, you've got a problem that condoms or birth control pills won't fix.

What do you mean?

garyd · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 691 Location: tulsa, ok

Are you kidding. Promiscuity kills sir and does so in a rather slow and agonizing manner. It is two people using each other for their own selfish pleasure and lying to each other about it afterwords. It is the attempt to distract one self from the hollow places in one's own soul.

Birth control pills will keep you from getting pregnant 99 times in one hundred but number one hundred will eventually come up and they offer no protection at all from STD's. Condoms prevent the spread of some disease but fail far more frequently than almost anything else, And at least three STD's are unaffected by the Use of condoms.

Meatball · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 18

garyd wrote: Are you kidding. Promiscuity kills sir and does so in a rather slow and agonizing manner. It is two people using each other for their own selfish pleasure and lying to each other about it afterwords. It is the attempt to distract one self from the hollow places in one's own soul.

So I take it you wouldn't give a condom to a child.
Explain how they're using each other for their own selfish manner. And you're right ... Condoms/Birth control do not work 100% of the time (And You're wrong, condoms are 99.7%, not 99% ... It's not 1 out of 100). But who is to say that if you don't give your child a condom that they will not commit the act?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're trying to tell me that ... Condoms promote sex, and with sex, it is a selfish act against both people involved (Because it's not there for making children, it's there for pleasure).
Or it's what it sounds like to me. Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong.

garyd · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 691 Location: tulsa, ok

Meatball why else would you engage in so intimate an act with some one you scarcely know? Birth control pills are about 99.7% effective not condoms. Condoms fail at a higher rate both in the lab and in practice.

The minute you give your child a condom you are giving him or her your permission to use others to suit themselves as long as they don't get sick and you are guaranteeing them that there won't be negative consequences for such actions.