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connermt
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Plodder
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| B ecause they were ashamed of the fact that they had nothing to hide. They needed to hide not only their sin thus their hiding from god but also their bodies, because in a place without sin there is no need for modesty or clothing since there was no temptation or sinful thoughts |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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When they were God's naked toys, they didn't have enough personality to acknowledge their vine-covered cage. Once they became aware, as He was, they felt not ashamed, but vulnerable. They covered what most represented their newfound humanity from the eyes of their omnipresent master and took control of their own lives. Thank Eve they did or we would all still be slaves to the Great Insatiable Ego that Was...
When BTW, did Adam get his penis and testes? He certainly didn't need them before Eve came along??? |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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Snarf wrote:
When BTW, did Adam get his penis and testes? He certainly didn't need them before Eve came along???
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connermt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Plodder wrote: B ecause they were ashamed of the fact that they had nothing to hide. They needed to hide not only their sin thus their hiding from god but also their bodies, because in a place without sin there is no need for modesty or clothing since there was no temptation or sinful thoughts
I don't get it.... |
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John
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall. |
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Quote: This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Most people don't like the naked body? If anything, I would suggest that most people like the naked body too much. |
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connermt
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Todd D. wrote: Quote: This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Most people don't like the naked body? If anything, I would suggest that most people like the naked body too much.
Like might have beena bad choice of words.
Comfortable with the naked body might be better |
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connermt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point
Personally, I think the whole story is a metaphor. I think to some degree Adam and Eve represent every one of us, and the tree of knowledge is the development of our knowledge of good and evil. Children at some point in their lives, realize that they are naked. IMHO, that means they've left the Garden of Eden. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point
Personally, I think the whole story is a metaphor. I think to some degree Adam and Eve represent every one of us, and the tree of knowledge is the development of our knowledge of good and evil. Children at some point in their lives, realize that they are naked. IMHO, that means they've left the Garden of Eden.
:tu: I noticed that too.......kids just run around buck-naked and could care less........ |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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Eynon81 wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point
Personally, I think the whole story is a metaphor. I think to some degree Adam and Eve represent every one of us, and the tree of knowledge is the development of our knowledge of good and evil. Children at some point in their lives, realize that they are naked. IMHO, that means they've left the Garden of Eden.
:tu: I noticed that too.......kids just run around buck-naked and could care less........
Until a point. My boys used to love being naked, no matter who was around. Then they got to a certain age--around 3, when they started to feel ashamed of it. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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perdidochas wrote: Eynon81 wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point
Personally, I think the whole story is a metaphor. I think to some degree Adam and Eve represent every one of us, and the tree of knowledge is the development of our knowledge of good and evil. Children at some point in their lives, realize that they are naked. IMHO, that means they've left the Garden of Eden.
:tu: I noticed that too.......kids just run around buck-naked and could care less........
Until a point. My boys used to love being naked, no matter who was around. Then they got to a certain age--around 3, when they started to feel ashamed of it.
That is because of (our) culture. Many tribes across the world run around 99% naked & some even fully naked as adults. So I would hazzard a guess that being shameful of something isn't 'built in' to people - it's a cultural thing |
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| It was the first time they considered themselves. Indeed eating the forbidden fruit was the first selfish act and sin at its heart is selfishness. |
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connermt
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garyd wrote: It was the first time they considered themselves. Indeed eating the forbidden fruit was the first selfish act and sin at its heart is selfishness.
Elaborate 'considered themselves'......what do you mean here? |
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| They simply hadn't previously considered their own appearance. They hadn't put self first or thought that the other might find them unappealing. |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Nakedness inthe Garden or Eden |
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connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: Why is it that after 'the fall', did Adam/Eve decide to cover their nakedness? Why did 'the fall' cause them to realize they were naked?
This is probably why most people don't like the naked body, but why is it so bad?
Seems like another case where people take something innocent & pure & make it into something 'bad' or 'evil'.
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Maybe they weren't naked before the fall.
The way I understood it was that after the fall they SAW that they were naked - maybe before they didn't notice.
Even so, why would they be ashamed of their body & cover up at that point
Yes that is true...but we also understand that everything changed. We learn later in the New Testament that the entirety of creation changed. "Nature groans" to return from the fallen state. Maybe they had a different state of existence before the fall. Maybe they were "clothed" in a certain way that was lost in the fall. Just maybe them trying to put on clothes made of fig leaves was their attempt to replace what they had lost in the fall. A type of "religion" so to speak. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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garyd wrote: They simply hadn't previously considered their own appearance. They hadn't put self first or thought that the other might find them unappealing.
Hm..interesting idea....
So are you saying we have an natural sense of being self conscious? |
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John
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garyd wrote: They simply hadn't previously considered their own appearance. They hadn't put self first or thought that the other might find them unappealing.
I don't get that feel. It seems to me that they were afraid of God seeing them naked...not each other. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| I think there was more to it than not wearing clothes. |
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