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"There is not an animal on the earth, or a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you."
Koran, surah 6 verse 38
"Flesh eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling: killing. By killing, man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity, that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself, and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel."
Leo Tolstoy
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.
Paul McCartney
Animals are my friends... and I don't eat my friends.
George Bernard Shaw
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
Robert Louis Stevenson
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with". And so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
Henry David Thoreau
"For the sake of love of purity, let the Bodhisattva refrain from eating flesh, which is born of semen, blood etc. To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating meat...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order to kill it, when it was not especially meant for him. There may be some people in the future who, being under the influence of taste for meat will string together in various ways sophisticated arguments to defend meat eating. But meat eating in any form, in any manner and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited. "Meat eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit and will not permit..."
Lord Buddha (Lanka vatara Sutra)
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorred, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...
After my paranirvana in the last kalpa different ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Lord Buddha (Surangama Sutra)
"Devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
Bhagavad Gita 3:13
"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna...Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else you eat, can not be offered to Him, since He will not accept it."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"All tremble at Violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill or cause another to kill."
Dhammapada 130
"He who has renounced all Violence towards all living beings, weak or strong, who neither kills nor causes other to kill - him do I call a holy man"
Dhammapada 405
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them.
Samuel Butler, Note-Books, 1912
"It is said about Lord Buddha sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. He saw the whole human race going to hell by this animal killing. So he appeared to teach ahimsa, nonviolence, being compassionate on the animals and human beings. In the Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, 'Thou shall not kill'. So everywhere animal killing is restricted. In no religion the unnecessary killing of animals is allowed. But nobody is caring. The killing process is increasing, and so are the reactions. Every ten years you will find a war. These are the reactions."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"We cannot separate ourselves from those whom we call the 'lower' animals. They are lower in the scale of evolution, but they, like us, are members of the One Family. We must not take away the life of any creature. Indeed, we must never take away that which we cannot give. And as we cannot restore a dead creature to life, we have no right to take away its' life."
J.P. Vaswani , Why Kill For Food?
"Therewith He causes crops to grow for you, and the olive and the date-palm and grapes and all kinds of fruit. Lo! Herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect."
Koran, surah 16, verse 11
"A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and we bring forth from it grain so that they will eat thereof. And we have placed therein gardens of the date-palm and grapes, and We have placed therein. That they may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands created it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Koran, surah 36, verses 33-35
"Maim not the brute beasts...Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself...He who takes pity (even) on a sparrow and spares its life. Allah will be merciful on him on the day of judgement."
Prophet Mohammed
Once someone asked George Bernard Shaw how it was that he looked so youthful. "I don't," Shaw retorted. "I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses?"
<<previous
"There is not an animal on the earth, or a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you."
Koran, surah 6 verse 38
"Flesh eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling: killing. By killing, man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity, that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself, and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel."
Leo Tolstoy
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.
Paul McCartney
Animals are my friends... and I don't eat my friends.
George Bernard Shaw
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
Robert Louis Stevenson
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with". And so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
Henry David Thoreau
"For the sake of love of purity, let the Bodhisattva refrain from eating flesh, which is born of semen, blood etc. To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating meat...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order to kill it, when it was not especially meant for him. There may be some people in the future who, being under the influence of taste for meat will string together in various ways sophisticated arguments to defend meat eating. But meat eating in any form, in any manner and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited. "Meat eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit and will not permit..."
Lord Buddha (Lanka vatara Sutra)
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorred, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...
After my paranirvana in the last kalpa different ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Lord Buddha (Surangama Sutra)
"Devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
Bhagavad Gita 3:13
"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna...Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else you eat, can not be offered to Him, since He will not accept it."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"All tremble at Violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill or cause another to kill."
Dhammapada 130
"He who has renounced all Violence towards all living beings, weak or strong, who neither kills nor causes other to kill - him do I call a holy man"
Dhammapada 405
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them.
Samuel Butler, Note-Books, 1912
"It is said about Lord Buddha sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. He saw the whole human race going to hell by this animal killing. So he appeared to teach ahimsa, nonviolence, being compassionate on the animals and human beings. In the Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, 'Thou shall not kill'. So everywhere animal killing is restricted. In no religion the unnecessary killing of animals is allowed. But nobody is caring. The killing process is increasing, and so are the reactions. Every ten years you will find a war. These are the reactions."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"We cannot separate ourselves from those whom we call the 'lower' animals. They are lower in the scale of evolution, but they, like us, are members of the One Family. We must not take away the life of any creature. Indeed, we must never take away that which we cannot give. And as we cannot restore a dead creature to life, we have no right to take away its' life."
J.P. Vaswani , Why Kill For Food?
"Therewith He causes crops to grow for you, and the olive and the date-palm and grapes and all kinds of fruit. Lo! Herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect."
Koran, surah 16, verse 11
"A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and we bring forth from it grain so that they will eat thereof. And we have placed therein gardens of the date-palm and grapes, and We have placed therein. That they may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands created it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Koran, surah 36, verses 33-35
"Maim not the brute beasts...Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself...He who takes pity (even) on a sparrow and spares its life. Allah will be merciful on him on the day of judgement."
Prophet Mohammed
Once someone asked George Bernard Shaw how it was that he looked so youthful. "I don't," Shaw retorted. "I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses?"
<<previous
"There is not an animal on the earth, or a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you."
Koran, surah 6 verse 38
"Flesh eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling: killing. By killing, man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity, that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself, and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel."
Leo Tolstoy
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.
Paul McCartney
Animals are my friends... and I don't eat my friends.
George Bernard Shaw
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
Robert Louis Stevenson
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with". And so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
Henry David Thoreau
"For the sake of love of purity, let the Bodhisattva refrain from eating flesh, which is born of semen, blood etc. To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating meat...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order to kill it, when it was not especially meant for him. There may be some people in the future who, being under the influence of taste for meat will string together in various ways sophisticated arguments to defend meat eating. But meat eating in any form, in any manner and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited. "Meat eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit and will not permit..."
Lord Buddha (Lanka vatara Sutra)
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorred, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...
After my paranirvana in the last kalpa different ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Lord Buddha (Surangama Sutra)
"Devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
Bhagavad Gita 3:13
"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna...Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else you eat, can not be offered to Him, since He will not accept it."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"All tremble at Violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill or cause another to kill."
Dhammapada 130
"He who has renounced all Violence towards all living beings, weak or strong, who neither kills nor causes other to kill - him do I call a holy man"
Dhammapada 405
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them.
Samuel Butler, Note-Books, 1912
"It is said about Lord Buddha sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. He saw the whole human race going to hell by this animal killing. So he appeared to teach ahimsa, nonviolence, being compassionate on the animals and human beings. In the Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, 'Thou shall not kill'. So everywhere animal killing is restricted. In no religion the unnecessary killing of animals is allowed. But nobody is caring. The killing process is increasing, and so are the reactions. Every ten years you will find a war. These are the reactions."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"We cannot separate ourselves from those whom we call the 'lower' animals. They are lower in the scale of evolution, but they, like us, are members of the One Family. We must not take away the life of any creature. Indeed, we must never take away that which we cannot give. And as we cannot restore a dead creature to life, we have no right to take away its' life."
J.P. Vaswani , Why Kill For Food?
"Therewith He causes crops to grow for you, and the olive and the date-palm and grapes and all kinds of fruit. Lo! Herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect."
Koran, surah 16, verse 11
"A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and we bring forth from it grain so that they will eat thereof. And we have placed therein gardens of the date-palm and grapes, and We have placed therein. That they may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands created it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Koran, surah 36, verses 33-35
"Maim not the brute beasts...Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself...He who takes pity (even) on a sparrow and spares its life. Allah will be merciful on him on the day of judgement."
Prophet Mohammed
Once someone asked George Bernard Shaw how it was that he looked so youthful. "I don't," Shaw retorted. "I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses?"
<<previous
"There is not an animal on the earth, or a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you."
Koran, surah 6 verse 38
"Flesh eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling: killing. By killing, man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity, that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself, and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel."
Leo Tolstoy
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.
Paul McCartney
Animals are my friends... and I don't eat my friends.
George Bernard Shaw
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
Robert Louis Stevenson
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with". And so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
Henry David Thoreau
"For the sake of love of purity, let the Bodhisattva refrain from eating flesh, which is born of semen, blood etc. To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating meat...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order to kill it, when it was not especially meant for him. There may be some people in the future who, being under the influence of taste for meat will string together in various ways sophisticated arguments to defend meat eating. But meat eating in any form, in any manner and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited. "Meat eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit and will not permit..."
Lord Buddha (Lanka vatara Sutra)
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorred, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...
After my paranirvana in the last kalpa different ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Lord Buddha (Surangama Sutra)
"Devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
Bhagavad Gita 3:13
"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna...Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else you eat, can not be offered to Him, since He will not accept it."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"All tremble at Violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill or cause another to kill."
Dhammapada 130
"He who has renounced all Violence towards all living beings, weak or strong, who neither kills nor causes other to kill - him do I call a holy man"
Dhammapada 405
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them.
Samuel Butler, Note-Books, 1912
"It is said about Lord Buddha sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. He saw the whole human race going to hell by this animal killing. So he appeared to teach ahimsa, nonviolence, being compassionate on the animals and human beings. In the Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, 'Thou shall not kill'. So everywhere animal killing is restricted. In no religion the unnecessary killing of animals is allowed. But nobody is caring. The killing process is increasing, and so are the reactions. Every ten years you will find a war. These are the reactions."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"We cannot separate ourselves from those whom we call the 'lower' animals. They are lower in the scale of evolution, but they, like us, are members of the One Family. We must not take away the life of any creature. Indeed, we must never take away that which we cannot give. And as we cannot restore a dead creature to life, we have no right to take away its' life."
J.P. Vaswani , Why Kill For Food?
"Therewith He causes crops to grow for you, and the olive and the date-palm and grapes and all kinds of fruit. Lo! Herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect."
Koran, surah 16, verse 11
"A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and we bring forth from it grain so that they will eat thereof. And we have placed therein gardens of the date-palm and grapes, and We have placed therein. That they may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands created it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Koran, surah 36, verses 33-35
"Maim not the brute beasts...Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself...He who takes pity (even) on a sparrow and spares its life. Allah will be merciful on him on the day of judgement."
Prophet Mohammed
Once someone asked George Bernard Shaw how it was that he looked so youthful. "I don't," Shaw retorted. "I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses?"
<<previous
"There is not an animal on the earth, or a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you."
Koran, surah 6 verse 38
"Flesh eating is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling: killing. By killing, man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity, that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself, and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel."
Leo Tolstoy
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.
Paul McCartney
Animals are my friends... and I don't eat my friends.
George Bernard Shaw
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
Robert Louis Stevenson
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with". And so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
Henry David Thoreau
"For the sake of love of purity, let the Bodhisattva refrain from eating flesh, which is born of semen, blood etc. To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating meat...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order to kill it, when it was not especially meant for him. There may be some people in the future who, being under the influence of taste for meat will string together in various ways sophisticated arguments to defend meat eating. But meat eating in any form, in any manner and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited. "Meat eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit and will not permit..."
Lord Buddha (Lanka vatara Sutra)
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorred, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...
After my paranirvana in the last kalpa different ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Lord Buddha (Surangama Sutra)
"Devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
Bhagavad Gita 3:13
"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna...Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else you eat, can not be offered to Him, since He will not accept it."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"All tremble at Violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill or cause another to kill."
Dhammapada 130
"He who has renounced all Violence towards all living beings, weak or strong, who neither kills nor causes other to kill - him do I call a holy man"
Dhammapada 405
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them.
Samuel Butler, Note-Books, 1912
"It is said about Lord Buddha sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. He saw the whole human race going to hell by this animal killing. So he appeared to teach ahimsa, nonviolence, being compassionate on the animals and human beings. In the Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, 'Thou shall not kill'. So everywhere animal killing is restricted. In no religion the unnecessary killing of animals is allowed. But nobody is caring. The killing process is increasing, and so are the reactions. Every ten years you will find a war. These are the reactions."
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"We cannot separate ourselves from those whom we call the 'lower' animals. They are lower in the scale of evolution, but they, like us, are members of the One Family. We must not take away the life of any creature. Indeed, we must never take away that which we cannot give. And as we cannot restore a dead creature to life, we have no right to take away its' life."
J.P. Vaswani , Why Kill For Food?
"Therewith He causes crops to grow for you, and the olive and the date-palm and grapes and all kinds of fruit. Lo! Herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect."
Koran, surah 16, verse 11
"A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and we bring forth from it grain so that they will eat thereof. And we have placed therein gardens of the date-palm and grapes, and We have placed therein. That they may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands created it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Koran, surah 36, verses 33-35
"Maim not the brute beasts...Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself...He who takes pity (even) on a sparrow and spares its life. Allah will be merciful on him on the day of judgement."
Prophet Mohammed
Once someone asked George Bernard Shaw how it was that he looked so youthful. "I don't," Shaw retorted. "I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are. What can you expect from people who eat corpses?"
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"Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
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perdidochas
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Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
Genesis 1:27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth."
Genesis 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
2 Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
3 Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants. |
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Wolverine
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"Let us make man.... let them have dominion over the fish... the fowl of the air... the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen. 1:28
"Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion... over every creeping thing."
Gen. 1:28
"Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field.... fowl of the air; and the fish of the sea."
Psa. 8:6-8
"The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lords: but the earth hath he given to the children of the men"
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forthegreatergood
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Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
"You ingest lives that you do not know if they have done GOOD nor evil and just because they are not of your form you eat them, and you seem to enjoy it and brag about it. Is that respectful? Have you ever read the covenant of the Book of Genesis? Why do you think you are human and the other creatures are non-human? Is it if you become animalistic in nature, you become an animal? If you become spiritual in nature, you become spiritual? As time occurred, forces might have changed religious texts to either justify eating creatures or to see what would happen, etc...because originally in the scriptures humans were to eat of the fruits and fruition of the vegetation. |
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Wolverine
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perdidochas wrote: Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
Genesis 1:27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth."
Genesis 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
2 Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
3 Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
I was joking, I posted some more from the Bible. :wink:
forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
Quote: "You ingest lives that you do not know if they have done GOOD nor evil and just because they are not of your form you eat them, and you seem to enjoy it and brag about it. Is that respectful? Have you ever read the covenant of the Book of Genesis? Why do you think you are human and the other creatures are non-human? Is it if you become animalistic in nature, you become an animal? If you become spiritual in nature, you become spiritual? As time occurred, forces might have changed religious texts to either justify eating creatures or to see what would happen, etc...because originally in the scriptures humans were to eat of the fruits and fruition of the vegetation.
Then God allowed them to after the Flood. Whats your point? |
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forthegreatergood
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Wolverine wrote: perdidochas wrote: Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
Genesis 1:27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth."
Genesis 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
2 Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
3 Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
I was joking, I posted some more from the Bible. :wink:
forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
Quote: "You ingest lives that you do not know if they have done GOOD nor evil and just because they are not of your form you eat them, and you seem to enjoy it and brag about it. Is that respectful? Have you ever read the covenant of the Book of Genesis? Why do you think you are human and the other creatures are non-human? Is it if you become animalistic in nature, you become an animal? If you become spiritual in nature, you become spiritual? As time occurred, forces might have changed religious texts to either justify eating creatures or to see what would happen, etc...because originally in the scriptures humans were to eat of the fruits and fruition of the vegetation.
Then God allowed them to after the Flood. Whats your point?
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it. |
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Wolverine
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forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
Maybe that whats happened withs your quotes. Who knows. You've got to have a better defence than that. |
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forthegreatergood
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Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
maybe that whats happened withs your quotes. Who knows. You've got to have a better defence than that.
Sometimes when someone sees the truth their reaction is "You've got to have a better defence than that." |
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Wolverine
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forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
maybe that whats happened withs your quotes. Who knows. You've got to have a better defence than that.
Sometimes when someone sees the truth their reaction is "You've got to have a better defence than that."
Sometimes when someone sees the truth thier reaction is "who knows, maybe the devil said it". |
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forthegreatergood
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Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
maybe that whats happened withs your quotes. Who knows. You've got to have a better defence than that.
Sometimes when someone sees the truth their reaction is "You've got to have a better defence than that."
Sometimes when someone sees the truth thier reaction is "who knows, maybe the devil said it".
Well that did not go anywhere to find the truth or did it? What if someone had authorized everyone to not eat animals after the flood? Temper actions with wisdom would be a good suggestion. If you hear a voice from the heavens, and it tells you to do something, temper actions with wisdom, so you shall not be deceived. |
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Wolverine
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forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
maybe that whats happened withs your quotes. Who knows. You've got to have a better defence than that.
Sometimes when someone sees the truth their reaction is "You've got to have a better defence than that."
Sometimes when someone sees the truth thier reaction is "who knows, maybe the devil said it".
Well that did not go anywhere to find the truth or did it? What if someone had authorized everyone to not eat animals after the flood? Temper actions with wisdom would be a good suggestion. If you hear a voice from the heavens, and it tells you to do something, temper actions with wisdom, so you shall not be deceived.
I'm not here to debate "what if they were hearing voicing from the underworld".
I am here to debate animal rights, from what I see, they have none. |
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Leon Czolgosz
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dead puppies aren't very aerodynamic - Leon C.
3 bullets to a dog's head is cheaper than emergency vet visits - Leon C.
it's a good thing I don't pay the kuran much attention, or don't care what the most unpopular Beetle thinks. Pull some quotes from people I respect and pay attention to, and I might be more convinced to go veggie or tofu burger tonight. Right now, the only thing I've been convinced to do is upsize my meal from a single, to a double cheeseburger. |
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Mr. Jaggers
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perdidochas
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forthegreatergood wrote: Wolverine wrote: "Animals are lower than me, and I eat them"
- Wolverine
"Ham is better than beef"
- Wolverine
"You ingest lives that you do not know if they have done GOOD nor evil and just because they are not of your form you eat them, and you seem to enjoy it and brag about it. Is that respectful? Have you ever read the covenant of the Book of Genesis? Why do you think you are human and the other creatures are non-human? Is it if you become animalistic in nature, you become an animal? If you become spiritual in nature, you become spiritual? As time occurred, forces might have changed religious texts to either justify eating creatures or to see what would happen, etc...because originally in the scriptures humans were to eat of the fruits and fruition of the vegetation.
Yes, in the first chapter of Genesis, however that changed after Noah. |
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perdidochas
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forthegreatergood wrote:
Whose to say it was not a devil who said that? Or that the scriptures were possibly changed by the Vatican/Catholics as time occurs. To synchronize to their culture. Or some human said it was okay in GOD's name to do so. How do you think that affects things karmically, cause and affect? Do wars occur because of things like this? Think about it.
Why do the ancient Hebrew versions that predate Christ also have the same story in Genesis about Noah that gives us permission to eat meat? |
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Mr. Jaggers
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OneZero
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Why did you post the same thing five times? :lm: :spam:
Fortunately I respect nothing on that list enough to make me change from eating meat.
Here's some food for thought (pardon the pun):
If you believe in evolution, we evolved to have canine teeth, teeth specifically for eating meat. Nature chose that, nature knows best.
If you are a Christian and/or believe in creationism/intelligent design, we were designed with teeth to eat meat. |
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Mr. Jaggers
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OneZero
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Mr. Jaggers wrote: "The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality."
- Arthur Schopenhauer
Aw darn, call me a cruel barbarian, animals have no fundemental rights. |
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