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[George W Bush]

I hope this sets a trend in the United States.

Maine gets my support. Go Maine!

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_us/protecting_pets

Story:
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New Maine Law Expands to Protect Pets

PORTLAND, Maine - Spurred by growing evidence of a link between domestic violence and animal abuse, Maine has enacted a first-in-the-nation law that allows judges to include pets in protection orders for spouses and partners leaving abusive relationships.

In helping pets, advocates hope to help battered women and others who aren't willing to abandon their animals to be saved themselves.

"This is a very innovative, new approach, and it makes perfect sense because the protection order is a critical stage for women and others seeking protection," said Nancy Perry of the Washington, D.C.-based Humane Society of the United States.

Gov. John Baldacci says the law, which provides for civil penalties such as fines or jail time for those who violate a protection order, should give pause to abusers who might resort to violence or threats against pets as a means of keeping their victims from leaving a relationship.

Law enforcement officials, animal welfare agents and advocates for domestic violence victims say it's not unusual to hear of abusers who vent their rage against a partner's pet.

"It's just another tactic to keep power and control over the victim," said Cindy Peoples of Caring Unlimited, a shelter in York County.

Susan Walsh, whose dog and sheep were killed by her husband, said many victims stand to benefit from including pets in protection orders.

"I've heard so many horror stories from other women that I knew I was not alone," she said.

When the bill came up for consideration at a public hearing in January, Walsh recounted how she remained in an abusive marriage in part out of fear for what might happen to her pets and farm animals if she left.

Walsh said her husband shot two of her sheep inside their Ellsworth barn. Another time, when she was visiting her parents in Pennsylvania, he deliberately ran his truck over her deaf and blind border collie in their driveway, she said.

Walsh, who stayed in the marriage for more than 12 years before her divorce in 2001, said she would have left sooner had it not been for her responsibilities to the animals.

"It's kind of hard to pack up a whole barn full of animals," she said. "And I knew that any animal I left behind would be dead in 24 hours."

The law was an outgrowth of a seminar by the Maine State Bar Association in June on the connection between animal abuse and domestic violence, said Anne Jordan, a Portland lawyer who serves on the Animal Welfare Advisory Council.

During an informal discussion after the presentation, a judge raised the idea of expanding the scope of protection orders, Jordan recalled.

Legislative support was overwhelming, said the bill's sponsor, Rep. John Piotti, a Democrat. He and others cited a study that found that 71 percent of pet-owning women in a Utah shelter said their abusers had either harmed, killed or threatened their pets.

Although Maine's law is unique, other states have statutes that reflect the link between domestic violence and animal abuse. Laws in California, Connecticut, Louisiana, Nebraska, Ohio and Tennessee encourage cross-reporting among agencies involved in law enforcement, domestic violence, child protection and animal control, Perry said.

Animal welfare agents already have been looking at ways to help potentially endangered pets whose owners are in abusive situations.

"A growing trend is called safe havens. These are cooperative agreements between shelters for women and shelters for animals," Perry said.

Several agencies in Maine participate in a program called PAWS — Pets and Women to Safety — that arranges confidential placement of animals in foster care so their owners can move into a shelter knowing that their pets will be safe.

The Animal Welfare Society in Kennebunk has a PAWS program that works with Caring Unlimited. "They've worked with all kinds of pets and farm animals," Peoples said, "from cats and dogs to horses and exotic birds."

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On the Net:

PAWS: http://www.animalwelfaresociety.org/prg_paws.html

[Leon Czolgosz]

Maine doesn't have my support. Good thing it wasn't a state that has others follow it's lead like Fl, TX and CA

[George W Bush]

Leon Czolgosz wrote: Maine doesn't have my support. Good thing it wasn't a state that has others follow it's lead like Fl, TX and CA

yeah, after all, you cant abuse your animals, leon.

How would you live with yourself if you cannot abuse animals?

Its like a drug, isnt it?

[Leon Czolgosz]

if an animal is dead, how is it abusing it. I don't beat my dog unless it poops in the house.

[George W Bush]

Leon Czolgosz wrote: if an animal is dead, how is it abusing it. I don't beat my dog unless it poops in the house.

...

for one thing, this is an article about the abusing an animal.

for another thing, you asserted your non-support of the law. which tells me you think people should not be jailed for maliciously abusing an animal.

one thing i'll tell you: dont spill over threads. That is, bring up the topic within the topic.

Your response seems to focus on the Dead Puppy thread.

This is not a dead puppy thread.

I'll only respond if it has something to do with the new Maine Law. and Not the corporeal abuse of Leons puppy remains.

[Infinite911911]

George W Bush wrote: I hope this sets a trend in the United States.

Maine gets my support. Go Maine!

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_us/protecting_pets



"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated". -Mahatama Gandhi

On great step in that direction...

[George W Bush]

Infinite911911 wrote: George W Bush wrote: I hope this sets a trend in the United States.

Maine gets my support. Go Maine!

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_us/protecting_pets



"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated". -Mahatama Gandhi

On great step in that direction...

:clap:

i like that quote very much.

[Wolverine]

Quote: PORTLAND, Maine - Spurred by growing evidence of a link between domestic violence and animal abuse, Maine has enacted a first-in-the-nation law that allows judges to include pets in protection orders for spouses and partners leaving abusive relationships.
:rofl:

Maine must have too much money floating around, they seem to be wasting it on laws like this.

[George W Bush]

Wolverine wrote: Quote: PORTLAND, Maine - Spurred by growing evidence of a link between domestic violence and animal abuse, Maine has enacted a first-in-the-nation law that allows judges to include pets in protection orders for spouses and partners leaving abusive relationships.
:rofl:

Maine must have too much money floating around, they seem to be wasting it on laws like this.

its a protection law.

theres people that like to hurt others because it gives them something in return. Who knows what but I would think that the more science put into understanding this mindset would further mankind and allow us to rid of these sicko's who abuse people and animals.

[Wolverine]

But to waste tax payer dollars on animals?


I think not.

[Leon Czolgosz]

you're an animalophobe if you don't support animals. And you have Wolverine as a name

;)

animal equality, unless it means punishment to him
don't litter because it's against the law, but he can drive wreckless.

and plenty of other hypocracies he won't admit to.

[perdidochas]

Wolverine wrote: But to waste tax payer dollars on animals?


I think not.

I have no problem with the bill. Why? I dont' think the reasoning behind the bill is to protect animals, primarily. The main reasoning is to give the abused less reasons to not run away from their abuser. Some people are so misguided as to think that their animal's lives are as important as their own or even worse as important as their children's lives, and they aren't leaving their abusers for fear for their animals. This bill is to help save those fools who will risk their own and their children's lives due to wanting to save their animals from the abuser.

[Leon Czolgosz]

perdidochas wrote: Wolverine wrote: But to waste tax payer dollars on animals?


I think not.

I have no problem with the bill. Why? I dont' think the reasoning behind the bill is to protect animals, primarily. The main reasoning is to give the abused less reasons to not run away from their abuser. Some people are so misguided as to think that their animal's lives are as important as their own or even worse as important as their children's lives, and they aren't leaving their abusers for fear for their animals. This bill is to help save those fools who will risk their own and their children's lives due to wanting to save their animals from the abuser.

before reading this forum and the threads on them, I would have said BS to your statement. But watching Infinite911911 and GWB go on and on about animals are equal to humans, I beleive you may have a point. Some people might not leave because of their animals.

But the only reply I have to that is, making legislation for the stupid is like putting stickers on Coke Machines that say "do not tip over, machine can fall over and cause injury or death"

If people are too stupid to leave abusive relationships because of Fido or Fluffy then I think we have perfect candidates for the Darwin awards.

[George W Bush]

Leon Czolgosz wrote: perdidochas wrote: Wolverine wrote: But to waste tax payer dollars on animals?


I think not.

I have no problem with the bill. Why? I dont' think the reasoning behind the bill is to protect animals, primarily. The main reasoning is to give the abused less reasons to not run away from their abuser. Some people are so misguided as to think that their animal's lives are as important as their own or even worse as important as their children's lives, and they aren't leaving their abusers for fear for their animals. This bill is to help save those fools who will risk their own and their children's lives due to wanting to save their animals from the abuser.

before reading this forum and the threads on them, I would have said BS to your statement. But watching Infinite911911 and GWB go on and on about animals are equal to humans, I beleive you may have a point. Some people might not leave because of their animals.

But the only reply I have to that is, making legislation for the stupid is like putting stickers on Coke Machines that say "do not tip over, machine can fall over and cause injury or death"

If people are too stupid to leave abusive relationships because of Fido or Fluffy then I think we have perfect candidates for the Darwin awards.

and Leon, that is your low-class opinion.

People are more prestigous than yourself, and have adopted the same mentality your so-called GOD has towards every life.
All life is sacred.

Since you seem to have a problem with that, apparently because of the fetish you have with puppy cadavors, you cannot see the inherent goodness in animals.

Youve resigned to this ethic seemingly to rebel against pro-animal people and that makes you more of a child than you care to admit. Now, go eat a twinkie and quit playing on your, according to your signature, "sick wifes" computer.

[John Galt]

It is a very depraved view of human life to lower us to animals. There are enough laws that deal with property I don't see how this is necessary or wise.

[OneZero]

John Galt wrote: It is a very depraved view of human life to lower us to animals. There are enough laws that deal with property I don't see how this is necessary or wise.

:tu:

[Leon Czolgosz]

George W Bush wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: perdidochas wrote: Wolverine wrote: But to waste tax payer dollars on animals?


I think not.

I have no problem with the bill. Why? I dont' think the reasoning behind the bill is to protect animals, primarily. The main reasoning is to give the abused less reasons to not run away from their abuser. Some people are so misguided as to think that their animal's lives are as important as their own or even worse as important as their children's lives, and they aren't leaving their abusers for fear for their animals. This bill is to help save those fools who will risk their own and their children's lives due to wanting to save their animals from the abuser.

before reading this forum and the threads on them, I would have said BS to your statement. But watching Infinite911911 and GWB go on and on about animals are equal to humans, I beleive you may have a point. Some people might not leave because of their animals.

But the only reply I have to that is, making legislation for the stupid is like putting stickers on Coke Machines that say "do not tip over, machine can fall over and cause injury or death"

If people are too stupid to leave abusive relationships because of Fido or Fluffy then I think we have perfect candidates for the Darwin awards.

and Leon, that is your low-class opinion.

People are more prestigous than yourself, and have adopted the same mentality your so-called GOD has towards every life.
All life is sacred.

Since you seem to have a problem with that, apparently because of the fetish you have with puppy cadavors, you cannot see the inherent goodness in animals.

Youve resigned to this ethic seemingly to rebel against pro-animal people and that makes you more of a child than you care to admit. Now, go eat a twinkie and quit playing on your, according to your signature, "sick wifes" computer.

Until you can answer my question on the other thread, I won't respond to you with anything but this...

[micfranklin]

Quote: [quote="George W Bush"]I hope this sets a trend in the United States.

Maine gets my support. Go Maine!

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_us/protecting_pets

This is a good thing in my opinion and it'll be one of the few trends I follow. Let this be another landmark in the case for animals' rights.

[perdidochas]

[quote="micfranklin"] Quote: George W Bush wrote: I hope this sets a trend in the United States.

Maine gets my support. Go Maine!

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_us/protecting_pets

This is a good thing in my opinion and it'll be one of the few trends I follow. Let this be another landmark in the case for animals' rights.

Animal rights isn't the thought behind this proposal:

Quote: In helping pets, advocates hope to help battered women and others who aren't willing to abandon their animals to be saved themselves.

[Leon Czolgosz]

we've pointed that out, but like I said earlier, passing legislation for stupid people (staying in a abusive relationship), is like posting warnings like , this bag is not a toy, on plastic bags.

Legislation for stupid people makes the entire species just a little bit dumber.