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[micfranklin]

I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

[sherborne]

micfranklin wrote: I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

yes i do. If it wasnt for the revolution then there wouldnt have been an america. Its also the inception point of the American ideal.

It is very closley followed by the civil war though. For that ironed out under what pretexts the central administration of america could operate under. Whereas the revolution illustrated the existance of government, the civil war illustrated the nature of that government.

[battleax86]

Yeah, this is kind of a no-brainer. It's like asking if one's birth is the most important event in that person's life.

[eynon]

sherborne wrote: micfranklin wrote: I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

yes i do. If it wasnt for the revolution then there wouldnt have been an america. Its also the inception point of the American ideal.

It is very closley followed by the civil war though. For that ironed out under what pretexts the central administration of america could operate under. Whereas the revolution illustrated the existance of government, the civil war illustrated the nature of that government.

Following the revolution I'd say the most important single event in our history was the invention of the cotton-gin. It made the institution of slavery, which was by then going bankrupt, profitable again. This garunteed that slavery would not die a natural death ulimtimatley bringing about the civil-war and the rise of consolidated federalism.....which changed the face of our republic drastically.

[sherborne]

battleax86 wrote: Yeah, this is kind of a no-brainer. It's like asking if one's birth is the most important event in that person's life.

This is what i find amusing about people like you. You are so quick in todays enviroment to throw about the word terrorist to this person or that person, but when its yourself in question, you were freedom fighters werent you? American revolutionarys could easily be classified as terrorists under your definition. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so the theory goes, and you display it glaringly in my view. I think you need to have a moment of self reflection and apply definitions you use freely to some of your ancestors. :lol:

[sherborne]

Eynon81 wrote: sherborne wrote: micfranklin wrote: I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

yes i do. If it wasnt for the revolution then there wouldnt have been an america. Its also the inception point of the American ideal.

It is very closley followed by the civil war though. For that ironed out under what pretexts the central administration of america could operate under. Whereas the revolution illustrated the existance of government, the civil war illustrated the nature of that government.

Following the revolution I'd say the most important single event in our history was the invention of the cotton-gin. It made the institution of slavery, which was by then going bankrupt, profitable again. This garunteed that slavery would not die a natural death ulimtimatley bringing about the civil-war and the rise of consolidated federalism.....which changed the face of our republic drastically.

But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

[Jehan]

sherborne wrote: But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

:wtf:

The civil war was caused by the secession of the South. What in the bloody name of Billy Yank caused that?

[thundertaker]

sherborne wrote: battleax86 wrote: Yeah, this is kind of a no-brainer. It's like asking if one's birth is the most important event in that person's life.

This is what i find amusing about people like you. You are so quick in todays enviroment to throw about the word terrorist to this person or that person, but when its yourself in question, you were freedom fighters werent you? American revolutionarys could easily be classified as terrorists under your definition. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so the theory goes, and you display it glaringly in my view. I think you need to have a moment of self reflection and apply definitions you use freely to some of your ancestors. :lol:

Terrorists deliberately target civilians. Those who target only military personell are rebels. That's the difference....

[eynon]

sherborne wrote: Eynon81 wrote: sherborne wrote: micfranklin wrote: I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

yes i do. If it wasnt for the revolution then there wouldnt have been an america. Its also the inception point of the American ideal.

It is very closley followed by the civil war though. For that ironed out under what pretexts the central administration of america could operate under. Whereas the revolution illustrated the existance of government, the civil war illustrated the nature of that government.

Following the revolution I'd say the most important single event in our history was the invention of the cotton-gin. It made the institution of slavery, which was by then going bankrupt, profitable again. This garunteed that slavery would not die a natural death ulimtimatley bringing about the civil-war and the rise of consolidated federalism.....which changed the face of our republic drastically.

But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

as Jehan pointed out, slavery was the root cause of the social and political factors that lead to the civil-war.

ask your-self if there would have been a civil-war if slavery had died out in the 1830's or 40's? without slavery to handicap the Southern economy, the South would've developed along more similair lines to that of the North. Charleton and New Orleans would've become industrial boom-towns and immigration hubs like New York, Boston, and Chicago. As slave-based plantations broke up small-hold farmers would've been able to compete, creating an agrarian middle-class again along Northern and Midwestern lines. The religious communities(methodists, baptists, and presperteryians, etc) would not have split in the 1840s(that split was solely caused by the issue of slavery), creating less of a cultural gap.......the list goes on and on.

No slavery=No Civil War............at least not as we know it. The US may have eventually had a civil-war during the Gilded-age as tensions between the Urban Upper-class and Rural Middle-class reached their peak. (William Jennings Bryant, Cross of Gold.......go ask psholtz :wink: )

[superskippy]

Quote: American revolutionarys could easily be classified as terrorists under your definition.

Guerilla's and Partisans of course, but terrorists I dont think so, or did they kill civilians as part of their operations?

[sherborne]

Eynon81 wrote: sherborne wrote: Eynon81 wrote: sherborne wrote: micfranklin wrote: I personally think that the American Revolution was the most important event in American history. For one thing, it was the start of our independence from Britain, which we got eventually and the Constitution was born as well.

Anyone else agree with me?

yes i do. If it wasnt for the revolution then there wouldnt have been an america. Its also the inception point of the American ideal.

It is very closley followed by the civil war though. For that ironed out under what pretexts the central administration of america could operate under. Whereas the revolution illustrated the existance of government, the civil war illustrated the nature of that government.

Following the revolution I'd say the most important single event in our history was the invention of the cotton-gin. It made the institution of slavery, which was by then going bankrupt, profitable again. This garunteed that slavery would not die a natural death ulimtimatley bringing about the civil-war and the rise of consolidated federalism.....which changed the face of our republic drastically.

But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

as Jehan pointed out, slavery was the root cause of the social and political factors that lead to the civil-war.

ask your-self if there would have been a civil-war if slavery had died out in the 1830's or 40's? without slavery to handicap the Southern economy, the South would've developed along more similair lines to that of the North. Charleton and New Orleans would've become industrial boom-towns and immigration hubs like New York, Boston, and Chicago. As slave-based plantations broke up small-hold farmers would've been able to compete, creating an agrarian middle-class again along Northern and Midwestern lines. The religious communities(methodists, baptists, and presperteryians, etc) would not have split in the 1840s(that split was solely caused by the issue of slavery), creating less of a cultural gap.......the list goes on and on.

No slavery=No Civil War............at least not as we know it. The US may have eventually had a civil-war during the Gilded-age as tensions between the Urban Upper-class and Rural Middle-class reached their peak. (William Jennings Bryant, Cross of Gold.......go ask psholtz :wink: )

Ha! Im not asking him......He believes the Brits started WW1! I take your point though. But i dont think the slavery issue was more important than the war itself. Having said that, slavery, and the relations between black and white people in America, have been a major international issue. Not just in America, but in Europe aswell. We pride ourselves on our tolerance, but maybe thats because we learned from your mistakes so to speak. Its all hypothetical but its just a thought. At the end of the day we didnt have such a mixed community as you did so maybe we took a leaf out of your more progressive peoples books like Garrison (who was national hero in Britain) for the modern era.

[battleax86]

sherborne wrote: battleax86 wrote: Yeah, this is kind of a no-brainer. It's like asking if one's birth is the most important event in that person's life.

This is what i find amusing about people like you. You are so quick in todays enviroment to throw about the word terrorist to this person or that person, but when its yourself in question, you were freedom fighters werent you? American revolutionarys could easily be classified as terrorists under your definition. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter so the theory goes, and you display it glaringly in my view. I think you need to have a moment of self reflection and apply definitions you use freely to some of your ancestors. :lol:
What I find amusing about you is your propensity to inject a completely different topic into a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever. :lol:

Thundertaker already answered your ill-informed assertion. American rebels only attacked British and loyalist troops, not American or British civilians going about their lives.

[FCTE]

The Revolution did not establish the United States. The Revolution coupled with the Declaration of Independence simply separated us from England.

We didn't become the United States until September 17, 1787 with the majority of states ratification of the Constitution.

[FCTE]

Jehan wrote: sherborne wrote: But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

:wtf:

The civil war was caused by the secession of the South. What in the bloody name of Billy Yank caused that?

Jehan is right, it was about States Rights vs. Federal Authority...........preservation of the Union or dissolve.

[Simon De Montfort]

FCTE wrote: The Revolution did not establish the United States. The Revolution coupled with the Declaration of Independence simply separated us from England.

We didn't become the United States until September 17, 1787 with the majority of states ratification of the Constitution.

Oh for the love of God get life FCTE. :roll:

What do you think we would be called if still lived under the Articles of Confederation? Answer: The United States of America.

The Revolution did set us up as a nation. The US Const. is just our current governing document. It is possible that we could do away with the US Const. and come up with some other governing document. And guess what we would still be the USA.

(I'm not advocating doing away with the US Const. I'm rather partial to it.)

[Simon De Montfort]

FCTE wrote: Jehan wrote: sherborne wrote: But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

:wtf:

The civil war was caused by the secession of the South. What in the bloody name of Billy Yank caused that?

Jehan is right, it was about States Rights vs. Federal Authority...........preservation of the Union or dissolve.

You're not up to speed with Jehan's view on the Civil War. The point he was alluding to was that the South ceded over slavery.

[FCTE]

Simon De Montfort wrote: FCTE wrote: Jehan wrote: sherborne wrote: But the civil war wasnt really about slavery. It was after the war, but when the war started it wasnt. The civil war was about the role of government in the US and how far their role could be exercised.

:wtf:

The civil war was caused by the secession of the South. What in the bloody name of Billy Yank caused that?

Jehan is right, it was about States Rights vs. Federal Authority...........preservation of the Union or dissolve.

You're not up to speed with Jehan's view on the Civil War. The point he was alluding to was that the South ceded over slavery.

I meant sherborne.

[FCTE]

Simon De Montfort wrote: FCTE wrote: The Revolution did not establish the United States. The Revolution coupled with the Declaration of Independence simply separated us from England.

We didn't become the United States until September 17, 1787 with the majority of states ratification of the Constitution.

Oh for the love of God get life FCTE. :roll:

What do you think we would be called if still lived under the Articles of Confederation? Answer: The United States of America.

The Revolution did set us up as a nation. The US Const. is just our current governing document. It is possible that we could do away with the US Const. and come up with some other governing document. And guess what we would still be the USA.

(I'm not advocating doing away with the US Const. I'm rather partial to it.)

The concept that the Revolution or the AoC made us the United States is entirely incorrect as the Constitution clearly outlines that role.

[Simon De Montfort]

FCTE wrote: Simon De Montfort wrote: FCTE wrote: The Revolution did not establish the United States. The Revolution coupled with the Declaration of Independence simply separated us from England.

We didn't become the United States until September 17, 1787 with the majority of states ratification of the Constitution.

Oh for the love of God get life FCTE. :roll:

What do you think we would be called if still lived under the Articles of Confederation? Answer: The United States of America.

The Revolution did set us up as a nation. The US Const. is just our current governing document. It is possible that we could do away with the US Const. and come up with some other governing document. And guess what we would still be the USA.

(I'm not advocating doing away with the US Const. I'm rather partial to it.)

The concept that the Revolution or the AoC made us the United States is entirely incorrect as the Constitution clearly outlines that role.

What the f**k are you talking about. :roll:

[FCTE]

Simon De Montfort wrote: What the f**k are you talking about. :roll:

Are you that completely ignorant of US History??

Neither the Revolution nor the Declaration of Independence made us the United States. All they did was separate us from England as Independent Colonies, essentially 13 different nations. The Articles of Confederation recognized these colonies in the union of a confederation, united colonies as free and independent states.

We were not the United States until September 17, 1787 with the ratification of the Constitution.

Quote: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.