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[pharaoh]

Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

[John]

pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

[Impartial1]

John wrote: pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

We are all God's children. What brings more satisfaction to a father, seeing his children grow up to be productive and independent or to remain dependant on him?

We have a planet rich with resources, total free will and a brain to think at high levelsl. Imho God is interested in seeing what we do with what we have, hopefull that we as a race progress.

[pharaoh]

John wrote: pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

So we are not here to obey god or live good lives, we are simply here to learn an important lesson which is that we must depend on god.
Correct?

[John]

pharaoh wrote: John wrote: pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

So we are not here to obey god or live good lives, we are simply here to learn an important lesson which is that we must depend on god.
Correct?

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending on God.

[John]

soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: pharaoh wrote: John wrote: pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

So we are not here to obey god or live good lives, we are simply here to learn an important lesson which is that we must depend on god.
Correct?

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending on God.
So no atheist have ever lived a "good" life?

Nope.

[cavvie]

You have to remember that all people, Christians, included are inherently "bad" people. It's in our nature to be sinners and rebel from God and its been that way since the fall. This is why God is overjoyed to accept his children back to his bosom. See the parable of the Prodigal Son. The realization of your sinfulness is a major step towards salvation. You're actually helpless unless you have God because only through him is sin avoidable and salvation possible. You can't do it on your own. This applies likewise in all aspects of life.

[thefranzkafkafront]

To say that existence requires purpose is a fallacy based on the causal nature of human assumptions.

All things in the carpentured world have purpose and so we foolishly extend that to eveything.

[thefranzkafkafront]

soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: pharaoh wrote: John wrote: pharaoh wrote: Why are we here? What is the purpose of living according to the bible?

To learn that we need to depend completely on God.

So we are not here to obey god or live good lives, we are simply here to learn an important lesson which is that we must depend on god.
Correct?

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending on God.
So no atheist have ever lived a "good" life?

Nope.
So then all atheists, hell all people of other religions aside from fundamentalist Christianity have been, are, and will be inherently bad people?

Hahahaha, loving it.

What about the agnositics, are we only 1/2 bad.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm confused why someone who uses the handle "soldierofchrist" is asking these questions. Are you setting him up, or are you a different kind of Christian, or have you lost your faith since getting that name or what? I'm kind of curious.

[Ek0nomik]

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I'm confused why someone who uses the handle "soldierofchrist" is asking these questions. Are you setting him up, or are you a different kind of Christian, or have you lost your faith since getting that name or what? I'm kind of curious.

Perhaps he just has a brain in his head. soldierofchrist always brings good things to the debate table.

[John]

soldierofchrist wrote: The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I'm confused why someone who uses the handle "soldierofchrist" is asking these questions. Are you setting him up, or are you a different kind of Christian, or have you lost your faith since getting that name or what? I'm kind of curious.
Hmm depends on how you define "different kind" of Christian. Some might say I'm not Christian at all. I'm Roman Catholic if one must have a label to have for me. I'm not a fundamentalist Christian, I guess one could label me a "liberal" Christian. I'm not a liberal in the political sense, but I tend to see past legalist BS espoused on here by a few on this board and millions of fundamentalists around the country. And why can't a person of a non-Christian faith live a good life? Some atheists I know are living far better lives than many of the "Christians" I know. Take a given situation: there are two men. One's a staunch atheist, the other a devout Baptist. The atheist volunteers 3 times a week feeding the homeless, and donates to a few select charitable organizations. The Baptist does nothing but sit at home and go to work. He does nothing to really better himself or his community. But he does read the Bible regularly and goes to church every Sunday. Tell me, who's leading the better life?

Jesus said that there is only One who is good.


Are you a good person, soldierofchrist?

[John]

Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?

[John]

soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

[thefranzkafkafront]

John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

[John]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

No. It is the standard on what you would have to do to EARN your way into Heaven.


Jesus is making a point....and that point is...that unless you can be as perfect as God...you will go to Hell on your own merit.

[thefranzkafkafront]

John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

No. It is the standard on what you would have to do to EARN your way into Heaven.


Jesus is making a point....and that point is...that unless you can be as perfect as God...you will go to Hell on your own merit.
So its impossible to be a good person. Haha how Calvinist.

[John]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

No. It is the standard on what you would have to do to EARN your way into Heaven.


Jesus is making a point....and that point is...that unless you can be as perfect as God...you will go to Hell on your own merit.
So its impossible to be a good person. Haha how Calvinist.

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending completely on God.

[thefranzkafkafront]

John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

No. It is the standard on what you would have to do to EARN your way into Heaven.


Jesus is making a point....and that point is...that unless you can be as perfect as God...you will go to Hell on your own merit.
So its impossible to be a good person. Haha how Calvinist.

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending completely on God.

So unless you obey god, as per the bible its impossible to lead a good life and by proxy be a good person.

[John]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: John wrote: soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Hmm no. I don't do enough as I think I should. I dont' volunteer that often, I don't dontate much, but I really have no money to donate being I have no job haha. But no, I'm not really, with the help of God, and more effort on my part I can become better.

So...if you get a job donate to the poor and work at it, you plan on becoming a good person?
Depends on how you define good. I would be a "better" person sure. But we can always do better, and I would be far too modest to ever say I'm living a good life even if I was.

It doesn't matter how I define good. Jesus defined it for us in the Sermon on the Mount.


Do you know anyone that is “good”?

But according to that, unless you are that good you don't get a spot in the Kingdom of God.

Its a slighlty unrealistic yardstick for good, for being exelent prehaps.

Or to put it another way, its somthing to aim for becuase if jesus honeslty thought most of the people were going to be able to follow all of the commadments of the sermon he must have expected the Kingdom of god to be a bit on the sparsly populated side, aims not an assement of your charater as good or bad.

No. It is the standard on what you would have to do to EARN your way into Heaven.


Jesus is making a point....and that point is...that unless you can be as perfect as God...you will go to Hell on your own merit.
So its impossible to be a good person. Haha how Calvinist.

It's impossible to obey God and live a "good" life...without depending completely on God.

So unless you obey god, as per the bible its impossible to lead a good life and by proxy be a good person.

You must be born again.