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connermt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: Only a certain amount of people getting into heaven? |
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| I have heard growing up from other religious groups that something like 44,000 or 144,000 people are destined to get into heaven? What's that all about & where did it come from? |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Only a certain amount of people getting into heaven? |
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connermt wrote: I have heard growing up from other religious groups that something like 44,000 or 144,000 people are destined to get into heaven? What's that all about & where did it come from?
It comes from people misunderstanding the book of Revelation. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Only a certain amount of people getting into heaven? |
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John wrote: connermt wrote: I have heard growing up from other religious groups that something like 44,000 or 144,000 people are destined to get into heaven? What's that all about & where did it come from?
It comes from people misunderstanding the book of Revelation.
Well that seems to happen a lot
:-D
What/where in REV points to a certain number? |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Only a certain amount of people getting into heaven? |
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connermt wrote: John wrote: connermt wrote: I have heard growing up from other religious groups that something like 44,000 or 144,000 people are destined to get into heaven? What's that all about & where did it come from?
It comes from people misunderstanding the book of Revelation.
Well that seems to happen a lot
:-D
What/where in REV points to a certain number?
Revelation Chapter 7 & 14 |
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Todd D.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k. |
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lucidnightmare
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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A good article on this subject.It hits on the "how many question as well as some other issues.
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hnohear.html |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Todd D. wrote: Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k.
No...it doesn't literally say that only 144,000 people in Heaven.
It literally says that 144,000 JEWS will be called out for service during the Great Tribulation. |
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Todd D.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: Todd D. wrote: Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k.
No...it doesn't literally say that only 144,000 people in Heaven.
It literally says that 144,000 JEWS will be called out for service during the Great Tribulation.
Either way, I still believe the actual NUMBER 144,000 is meaningless. It was a Jewish device for saying "A whole lot". |
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Jonah
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Todd D. wrote: John wrote: Todd D. wrote: Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k.
No...it doesn't literally say that only 144,000 people in Heaven.
It literally says that 144,000 JEWS will be called out for service during the Great Tribulation.
Either way, I still believe the actual NUMBER 144,000 is meaningless. It was a Jewish device for saying "A whole lot".
They also use the terms "a great multitude", and "ten thousand upon ten thousand", and "two hundred million", so why do they have all these different ways of saying "A whole lot"? :) |
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Jonah
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John wrote: Todd D. wrote: Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k.
No...it doesn't literally say that only 144,000 people in Heaven.
It literally says that 144,000 JEWS will be called out for service during the Great Tribulation.
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Todd D.
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| Um, we have all those ways of saying "a whole lot". I could say "A billion million", a "ton" or any of the terms that you just used. |
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John
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Todd D. wrote: Um, we have all those ways of saying "a whole lot". I could say "A billion million", a "ton" or any of the terms that you just used.
A whole lot of Jews will be specifically called out as evangelist during the Tribulation?
Why isn’t it 144,000 literal Jews that this will happen to? The chapter even specifies how many from each tribe.
Why would it say "a whole lot" and by the way there will be this many of the whole lot from the tribe of Judah and this many from the tribe of Simeon and so on and so on? |
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cap'n queasy
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Todd D. wrote: John wrote: Todd D. wrote: Yeah, it comes from a literal interpretation of something that was meant to be figurative. It would be like if I wrote that I was friends with 5 quintillion people, and hundreds of years from now someone found it and said that I was being literal. "144,000" in that time was akin to us saying "A hundred million billion". It just means "A whole lot". The literal "144,000" is absolutely meaningless.
That said, since there WILL bea "finite" number of people in heaven, I suppose the answer is "Yes, only a certain amoun of people will get to heaven". I just think it will be far more than 144k.
No...it doesn't literally say that only 144,000 people in Heaven.
It literally says that 144,000 JEWS will be called out for service during the Great Tribulation.
Either way, I still believe the actual NUMBER 144,000 is meaningless. It was a Jewish device for saying "A whole lot".
The book specifies an exact number from each tribe. A number that is not a whole lot of people, but rather a small percentage of the total population of the Jewish people, a remnant.
It's a number that is used to descibe a fraction of each tribe, not a "whole lot" so that explanation is completely oblivious to the context of the statement. Why don't you read the book before you comment on subjects it contains? |
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Todd D.
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cap'n queasy wrote:
The book specifies an exact number from each tribe. A number that is not a whole lot of people, but rather a small percentage of the total population of the Jewish people, a remnant.
It's a number that is used to descibe a fraction of each tribe, not a "whole lot" so that explanation is completely oblivious to the context of the statement. Why don't you read the book before you comment on subjects it contains?
And gee, what a coincidence, it was 12,000 from each tribe. Lucky I guess. Or it could be that, as I've been saying, 12,000 was a Jewish literary device comparable to us saying "A Million" or "A billion" or "A Ton" (Remember the symbolism without the Bible of the Number "12" as the perfect number. It simply means a lot, evidenced by immediately following that passage, they continue to say a great multitude from every nation. Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
But hey, thanks for implying that I haven't read the book. I mean, when someone disagrees with you, it MUST mean that they are uneducated, right? |
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John
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Quote: And gee, what a coincidence, it was 12,000 from each tribe. Lucky I guess.
Luck? What are you talking about? It's talking about God specifically calling out a certain amount of men for a special job. |
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John
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Quote: Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
Earth to Todd...come in Todd.
It has nothing to do with how many people go to Heaven. |
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cap'n queasy
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Todd D. wrote: cap'n queasy wrote:
The book specifies an exact number from each tribe. A number that is not a whole lot of people, but rather a small percentage of the total population of the Jewish people, a remnant.
It's a number that is used to descibe a fraction of each tribe, not a "whole lot" so that explanation is completely oblivious to the context of the statement. Why don't you read the book before you comment on subjects it contains?
And gee, what a coincidence, it was 12,000 from each tribe. Lucky I guess. Or it could be that, as I've been saying, 12,000 was a Jewish literary device comparable to us saying "A Million" or "A billion" or "A Ton" (Remember the symbolism without the Bible of the Number "12" as the perfect number. It simply means a lot, evidenced by immediately following that passage, they continue to say a great multitude from every nation. Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
But hey, thanks for implying that I haven't read the book. I mean, when someone disagrees with you, it MUST mean that they are uneducated, right?
It was used to convey a small remnant, not a "whole lot". Notice that they compare this number with a great multitude to focus on the fact that it is a small amount? Since you do not seem to be cognizant of this fact I would say you are unfamiliar with the material.
Also, there are two separate groups that consist of this number mentioned in the book.
Quote: Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
I'm not following your reasoning? Could you explain? |
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cap'n queasy
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John wrote: Quote: Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
Earth to Todd...come in Todd.
It has nothing to do with how many people go to Heaven.
:lol: Forget it, his mind is made up before he has even looked at the subject. |
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cap'n queasy
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soldierofchrist wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: John wrote: Quote: Besides, if we want to go literal, then it would be only the UNMARRIED Jews that get to go to heaven, as evidenced by texts in Chapter 14.
Earth to Todd...come in Todd.
It has nothing to do with how many people go to Heaven.
:lol: Forget it, his mind is made up before he has even looked at the subject.
As was yours.
Sorry, but I made my mind up after I reviewed the material. |
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cap'n queasy
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Are you aware that this book promises a blessing for folks who read it?
Why not take advantage of that? Read the book. |
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