Political Crossfire Forums

Alula · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 517

I'm not saying I hunt for the meat that I eat I shop for it. I find nothing cowardice about defending a persons right to certain vitamins in their diet.
such as some types of fats, red meat has iron, so does brocolli. Not everybody likes brocolli. Meat is Chicken, its sausage its fish I believe its eggs and milk. Leather. People don't eat meat if they don't want to.
Its a hard road though. I don't know how they acomplish their goal.
Its a goal I wouldn't want to acomplish I like that in my diet too much to just stop altogether.

George W Bush · Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject:

what about KOSHER food?

Are Jews bleeding-hearts just for wanting their animal killed a certain, "humane" way?

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 11048 Location: Podunk, Colorado

I think he is refering to the fact some people cannot killl the animal themselves....

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

we should ask the cow what he would prefer

"Cow, do you want to be be killed for my bigmac?"

"MOOOO"

"I take that as a yes"

it amazes me how idealistic that people can truley be when it comes to a dumb animal.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

Leon what age are you?

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

Alula wrote: I'm not saying I hunt for the meat that I eat I shop for it. I find nothing cowardice about defending a persons right to certain vitamins in their diet.
such as some types of fats, red meat has iron, so does brocolli. Not everybody likes brocolli. Meat is Chicken, its sausage its fish I believe its eggs and milk. Leather. People don't eat meat if they don't want to.
Its a hard road though. I don't know how they acomplish their goal.
Its a goal I wouldn't want to acomplish I like that in my diet too much to just stop altogether.

there is no vitamen, mineral or nutrient that you cannot obtain from a vegan diet alone.to put it another way, you do not need animals or their by-products whatsoever in your diet, if you do "need them", you do it out of conveinience, tradition, and belief in societies common values "defending a persons right to have certain vitamens in their diet".......whta do you mean?

your diet can be changed if your beliefs are strong enough, it is a hard road though,as you say, it makes life akward and inconvienient but the rewards will be reaped.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

Leon Czolgosz wrote: we should ask the cow what he would prefer

"Cow, do you want to be be killed for my bigmac?"

"MOOOO"

"I take that as a yes"

it amazes me how idealistic that people can truley be when it comes to a dumb animal.

leon , cows are female, bulls are male, just goes to show your lack of knowledge on the subject, and do you really have to resort to such pointless humour to display further ignornace on your part?

mathurin · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

want to go farther?

cows are only a bovine that has had a calf
heifers are female bovines that have not had a calf
pregnancy makes the meat tough, so only cows are worth very little for meat

bulls are males
steers are gelded males
testosterone ruins meat, and with the normal situation of 50/50 birth rates the males would either kill eachother off or inbreeding would render the herd "infeasible"

cattle are no longer natural beings, their environment requires human manipulation for them to survive properly, they exist to serve, if they werent of service they would not be able to exist, it is a symbiotic relationship, the species survives because we have use for them, humans can survive without bovines, bovines cannot survive without humans, at least not modern breeds, longhorns and some funky breeds from africa and asia maybe, but not western world beef bovines

X-Shocker · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 167 Location: All around you

Jason of Ireland and AD,

You guys/gals crack me up every time I read your posts.

Killing an animal for food is no more cruel than harvesting plants for food. Torturing an animal is different than killing an animal for consumption. You two need to be able to distinquish between torturing and killing.

A vegan diet is all good and proper for you, but it is not for me and all my fellow omnivores. You have made your decission not to eat meat and we, omnivores, respect and praise you for your commitments; but we need you to keep your closed minds and toughts to yourselves because we enjoy both meat and vegetables.

Killing an animal for food is never cruel, immoral, or unethical.

I used to think a certain use of animals is cruel; but after seeing how the animals enjoy the activities, my mind has changed.

Alula · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 517

I am defending my right to take vitamins in how I want and when I want to please my pallet. That is all I have to say. It is about taste. yummy recipe's
with what I like in them and that is a product that is animal. sorry vegimaterian your not going to switch me. I'm not able. I love bloodey steaks. too much. Even if their a little cold hehehe :twisted:

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

ethics are defined by public opinion
if we think it's ok, that makes it ok

forthegreatergood · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 366

thintheherd wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?
nope

Why is that different humans view what cows actually are differently, for instance, some countries use cows as slaves, sell them, slaughter them, and eat them, and that cow is then a part of them while those humans also sometimes call the cow inferior.

Other countries, like India, respect cows and do not wish them harm.

What is better in your opinion? What is GOOD and what is evil in your opinion?

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 11048 Location: Podunk, Colorado

The people in India are afraid to smack bugs, in fear of killing a re-incarnated family member.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Wolverine wrote: The people in India are afraid to smack bugs, in fear of killing a re-incarnated family member.

Tell me about it, my dad went to India and some of the things he talks about are just sad.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

forthegreatergood wrote: thintheherd wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?
nope

Why is that different humans view what cows actually are differently, for instance, some countries use cows as slaves, sell them, slaughter them, and eat them, and that cow is then a part of them while those humans also sometimes call the cow inferior.

Other countries, like India, respect cows and do not wish them harm.

What is better in your opinion? What is GOOD and what is evil in your opinion?

Hmmm, starvation in the U.S., not a problem. In fact, the main problem with the poor in the U.S. is obesity, not starvation. According to the WFP, 50% of the world's hungry population lives in India. 35% of Indians are "food-insecure" meaning that they get below 80% of required nutrition on a daily basis.[url=http://www.wfp.org/country_brief/indexcountry.asp?region=5&section=9&sub_section=5&country=356]

www.wfp.org[/url]

I think America is better (admittedly, I'm not a cow).