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connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

OneZero wrote: connermt wrote: OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: Bullriding and other things to do with abusing cows is cruel.

Eating them is one thing, but turning them into an entertainment device is sub-human.

That's a matter of opinion. I don't think bullriding is cruel, and I see nothing wrong with using animals for entertainment.

As long is it is not hurting the animal I agree
However, I find bull fighting more than brutal & unnecessary. :evil:

Bullfighting perhaps, bullriding no.

Yes bullFIGHTING. Aren't bull riding bulls treated very well when they aren't performing?

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Infinite911911 wrote: OneZero wrote:

Quote: But I will say I find it is funny when you hear of cowboys getting killed or severely harmed during their torture/bullriding. This is reprisal, and justified reprisal.

You are a sick person.

Am I sick for laughing when a Hunter accidentally shoots his buddy (VP) or one that gets a taste of his own medicine and killed by an animal?

Yes.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote: Infinite911911 wrote: OneZero wrote:

Quote: But I will say I find it is funny when you hear of cowboys getting killed or severely harmed during their torture/bullriding. This is reprisal, and justified reprisal.

You are a sick person.

Am I sick for laughing when a Hunter accidentally shoots his buddy (VP) or one that gets a taste of his own medicine and killed by an animal?

Yes.

Sweet.

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?

thintheherd · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject:

Leon Czolgosz wrote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?
nope

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Leon Czolgosz wrote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?

No, I don't either. :-D

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

George W Bush wrote: Bullriding is proof the animal objects to that form of entertainment.

Without it bucking, it wouldnt be such a hick sport.

So it expresses emotion this way.

But I will say I find it is funny when you hear of cowboys getting killed or severely harmed during their torture/bullriding. This is reprisal, and justified reprisal.

If there were a way to get these animals to be more aggressive to the point of not being able to be handled, say - through drugs, you best believe ide be there to give the injection. If its gonna die, its gonna die with human blood on its body. And that is justice.
Bulls involved with bullriding don't die often, if at all, from bullriding. Most get reputations, etc. Ever hear the Tim McGraw song, Live like you were dying, one line is about riding for 7 seconds on a bull named Fu Manchu. If bulls routinely died in bullriding, they would never have a chance to get reputations as mean bulls.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

OneZero wrote: connermt wrote: OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: Bullriding and other things to do with abusing cows is cruel.

Eating them is one thing, but turning them into an entertainment device is sub-human.

That's a matter of opinion. I don't think bullriding is cruel, and I see nothing wrong with using animals for entertainment.

As long is it is not hurting the animal I agree
However, I find bull fighting more than brutal & unnecessary. :evil:

Bullfighting perhaps, bullriding no.

I can't get into bullfighting (I watched one in Cozumel once), but I'm not gonna say they are wrong. Fighting bulls live a pretty good life before their final fight.

Kindred · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Cow do not posses a sydersis, egro they are not moral agents.

Ethical actions can only involve more than one moral agent.

Actions on cows are aethical.

sydersis and aethical are not words, ergo what the hell are you going on about?

If I have teased some meaning from this confusing sentence, i believe what you're stating is that an adult male with the faculty of moral reasoning is not acting immorally when he rapes an orphaned, mentally disabled child without such a faculty. Correct?

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 11047 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Leon Czolgosz wrote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?
Nope, I love hamburgers.

I wonder what Betty was like before going on my pizza? :think:

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Oh well, I don't care.

Kindred · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

Quote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?

Sick? No, not really, after all it is a social norm.

Immoral? I would say so, after all you're making an infomred decision to take the life of an animal simply to satisfy your taste buds.

Kindred · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject:

btw, I must note how sad I find it that every time we have a discussion on this subject all the males seem to have some kind of a pissing competition to highlight how cruel and uncaring they actually are. As if eating an animal you brought from a super-market somehow makes you more of a man. Personally, I find it more a hallmark of cowardice.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

A.D wrote: Quote: am I sick for not caring about how a damn Big Mac is killed?

Sick? No, not really, after all it is a social norm.

Immoral? I would say so, after all you're making an infomred decision to take the life of an animal simply to satisfy your taste buds.

It's a bloody animal, what other purpose does it have in life except to serve humans? What is your solution? What, in your opinion, SHOULD we be doing?

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

A.D wrote: btw, I must note how sad I find it that every time we have a discussion on this subject all the males seem to have some kind of a pissing competition to highlight how cruel and uncaring they actually are. As if eating an animal you brought from a super-market somehow makes you more of a man. Personally, I find it more a hallmark of cowardice.

I don't think it makes me more of a man to eat meat, I think it tastes better, and that's all.

Alula · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 517

No. I think. that Rodeo Clowns get it worse than the cowboy they have to entertain the bull away from the guy laying on the ground who's just got the wind knocked out of him. Right. Everybody is getting hurt. its just for fun to watch.
Entertainment value.
Sport. Also. Belt Buckles. Important Stuff.
I like to watch it myself.
Now meat is for dinner. Whether its in a Big Mac or not. I use a quite alot of hamburger and have never found a problem with it. Just use it in moderation.

thintheherd · Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:15 am Post subject:

A.D wrote: btw, I must note how sad I find it that every time we have a discussion on this subject all the males seem to have some kind of a pissing competition to highlight how cruel and uncaring they actually are. As if eating an animal you brought from a super-market somehow makes you more of a man. Personally, I find it more a hallmark of cowardice.
And for those who actually hunt for the same??? Saving all of those poor souls that have purposely eliminated all of the natural predators to ensure their safety??? erm- Yeah.. gratuitous machismo forcing some sort of pseudo pissing contest... :roll:

Surely you realize that it stems exclusively from those without the nads to provide for themselves.

In that case I would agree... Oh so pathetic are the weak.

mathurin · Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject:

A.D wrote: btw, I must note how sad I find it that every time we have a discussion on this subject all the males seem to have some kind of a pissing competition to highlight how cruel and uncaring they actually are. As if eating an animal you brought from a super-market somehow makes you more of a man. Personally, I find it more a hallmark of cowardice.

oh yeah, well i once urinated on a cute and fluffy baby bunny while grilling its mother, so there......

i do care about how my burger was killed, and while the methods currently used would be cruel if used on humans (primarily why you oppose them i suppose) they are fine for cattle, cattle are stupid, they barely understand what happens to them, i know because i have worked them

so the question is, what makes you think cattle are intelligent or even bright enough to understand what is going on around them

Infinite911911 · Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote:
It's a bloody animal, what other purpose does it have in life except to serve humans?

:gdgf:

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Infinite911911 wrote: OneZero wrote:
It's a bloody animal, what other purpose does it have in life except to serve humans?

:gdgf:

You think they have a higher purpose?

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 7641 Location: Montana

A.D wrote: btw, I must note how sad I find it that every time we have a discussion on this subject all the males seem to have some kind of a pissing competition to highlight how cruel and uncaring they actually are. As if eating an animal you brought from a super-market somehow makes you more of a man. Personally, I find it more a hallmark of cowardice.

Please expand on this thought, you lost me somewhere between the supermarket and cowardice.